"Dealing" With Casual Piracy

Originally Posted by BlueMikey

The far better solution to the RIAA is not to steal from the RIAA, but to render them obsolete through competition.

While I agree with this - the chances of it happening are exceedingly slim since you're talking about absolving a major trade group thats been in existence since the 1950s. Not to mention - kids on the internet are not known for banding together to fight anything of any importance, ever.

This said, Cal is obviously the larger problem, as he sees it as being justifyable in certain circumstances when it most certainly never, ever is.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Cal

PS. LeHah, if rightful remuneration's a concern, Johnny Williams is going to get paid a shitting mint for the next self-derivative OST (as always) whether we open the wallet or hop onto Mininova.

John Williams has ten years to live and has made half a million per film since 1983. I don't think he needs any more money.

But what about the up-and-coming people?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Cal

To suggest that up-and-comers somehow need a dinosaur infrastructure and business model to make music is the height of cynicism. And at any rate, to use the Williams example again, the majority of music makers are going to be plying their trade in the context of a wider industry, eg. TV, film, interactive media.

You're forgetting that to get attention to merit any type of those mass-media contexts, they need exposure - which means SALES.

Futhermore, the notion that there is some type of conspiracy where the RIAA and labels bury talented artists is as stupid as that jackass who started the Creationism thread. The fact of the matter is - talent doesn't matter shit to the industry, sales do. And if the worst band in the world goes gold, they aren't going to complain. Its just the way things work, its an industry and not a charity for a reason.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Ridan Krad

Litigation isn't cheap, so if the RIAA's anti-P2P campaign isn't working (I don't think it is), then even if the law is on their side, economically it may actually be making matters worse by creating a poor public image, using lots of resources combating anti-P2P, while not actually significantly preventing filesharing.

They have more money than God. Theres going to be no end in litigation from a money perspective.

Originally Posted by Skexis

As it stands, copyright law is not unconstitutional. You're right. But "copyright law" as a monolithic entity may well form into "physical media law" and "electronic media law," each with its own set of rules and regulations. If it ever comes to pass, this will not have been done in a vacuum.

You say all these words - but do you know what they mean? They really don't add up to anything. Its like reading a 6th grader's book report and he used the dictionary, where every third word is improperly used.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Cal

New Line does not need Howard Shore to flog 500k copies of a score in order for there to be a thriving film music industry. Shore does not need to flog 500k copies in order to get rehired. That's ridiculous.

You don't understand the machinations of the film music production industry. Take for example the first LOTR score by Howard Shore.

First, a release has to be cleared with the movie producer, followed by the composer. Composer has to pick a set list of compositions, rearrange them, produce them, conduct the score for the album, approve the mastering.

Now, take something thats years old. Say the recent release of Harry And The Hendersons, which is a phenominal score by Bruce Broughton and hadn't been released to anything but cassette and LP.

Now you have to decide...

a.) Look for archival masters - anything before 1985 is up in the air. Hundreds of masters have been thrown out at a clip. Othertimes, masters are not kept properly - Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome was saved earlier this year after the only remaining masters were cooked in a kiln and then digitally transfered via a reel-to-reel. (The trick with cooking a master is that after you play it once after that - all the information is lost and can't be played again.)

b.) Rerecord the score. This involves finding the conductor's original sheet, contracting someone to reconstruct missing portions of the score (if there are any), hiring an orchestra, putting down money for a studio / equiptment / recording staff, mastering, linar notes, packaging and distribution.

Now, if you'd really like, I can break down the really small peices and give you prices on hiring an orchestra per instrument, per chair, per session and then balance it against American (union) or European (non-union), plus reuse fees for a rerecording.

You're discrediting level upon level upon level of money and fiscal situations when it comes to sales because film score involves a music label as well as a movie house.

On top of that, sales don't mean anything to a composer. Time and time again, a score doesn't ever get a release. Franz Waxman's score to the 1954 movie The Silver Chalice got released last month; do you think that he suddenly didn't get any work ever again because they didn't release this score for 53 years? That said - you don't know shit, so stop talking.

Originally Posted by Ridan Krad

filesharing has become even more mainstream thanks to all the hype the RIAA has given it.

Rape must be popular because they mention it on the news all the time! That must mean its legal!

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

Ridan never said anything about its legality, just that it's become more popular

Something being popular doesn't make it right though.

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

that the RIAA's efforts to shut down piracy through litigation have backfired. =|

Except when, you know, it hasn't backfired?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Cal

Lol gday reading comprehension o_].

If you're going to ask a question only to give an empty, worthless post as a reaction, stop opening your gob. Passive-aggressive trolling isn't taken kindly by people who actually bring something to the table.

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