Theological Discussion

Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland

That's one of the main things I can't wait to find out an aswer to when I get to Heaven.

The joke is you find out that God is actually Muslim

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Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland

And there were times when He wasn't so thrilled with his job, let me tell you.

I can see you two sitting around, passing a blunt, complaining about your jobs like this is a shitty Kevin Smith movie.

"I hate my job. I'm tired of filing paperwork"
"Yeah, well, you try walking on fuckin water, lady. Puff and pass."

Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland

Getting into Heaven doesn't have anything to do with anything you do or don't do. All it takes is for you to accept that Jesus is what He said He was, and that He died for us so that we could have eternal life in Heaven.

That sounds a heck of a lot like all those Twilight Zone episodes where the guy offers someone something and in the end it turns out to be Satan.

Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland

If I believe that, which I do, I'm in like Flynn.

You neuter animals with your teeth and a hunting knife?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland

Those little commandment thingys are guidelines on how God wants you to live. You can break all of them and still get into Heaven.

Theres something very wrong with your religion if you can break "Thou Shalt Not Kill" and still get in line for Saint Peter's list.

You trying to tell me John Wayne Gacey is in your Heaven?

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Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland

It's such a great example of how loving Jesus really is. He wants you to get into Heaven so badly that He made it pretty much the easiest thing ever, even if you're a murderer.

Then I love the fact that people who work in the Peace Corps or people like Ghandi are in such good company as Hitler or serial murderers.

Why the fuck was Satan cast out then? You can't have it both ways.

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Originally Posted by Minion

Satan was cast out because he wanted to usurp God.

Originally Posted by Minion

How can you really judge the man?

I like how your ideology is full of shit.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland

Care to elaborate on this highly intelligent, well-thought-out and thought-provoking sentiment?

To believe in God is to make an exception as he is a entity separate from the existence of Man and Nature. A special exception can only be proved in a special manner - you know, you need pretty overwhelming facts to back up pretty overwhelming truths. Your faith - Catholicism - is thusly only then a true and factual one when special effects, appearances of God, miracles, are believed in. (Have either of you seen a miracle? And I don't mean giving birth or a nice sunset either)

On the other hand, your belief in God is identified with the belief in the world around you, where the belief in God is no longer a special exception, where the being of the world takes possession of the whole person, there also vanishes the belief in special effects and appearances of God.

The theory of God is wrecked, is stranded on your belief in the world, in natural effects as the only true ones - that the world is a literal thing, as opposed to miracles, which are not to be proven literally. And here - the belief in miracles is no longer anything more than the belief in historical, past miracles, (unless either of you have witnessed something utterly unexplainable as to only be available to the theory of God) so the existence of God is also only an historical, in itself atheistic idea.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Minion

Or the Bible/Ressurection? Which I'm sorry to say has some secular historical backing. Not to mention the Dead Sea Scrolls which predate Jesus and contain numerous prophecies about him.

Thats moot. I can make 5000 predictions and I bet you someone in some way-off future will say I was right about something, even if they had to stretch the truth to get it to fit.

It's a matter of figures, odds, numbers.

Not to mention, the Bible's "secular backing" is somewhat iffy given that the Bible was written how long after the death of your Lord?

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Fatbody makes two good points though.

1.) The fact that you're offended that someone can't take your beliefs seriously is just silly. Aside from this being the intarweb, how can you be offended by someone else's beliefs? Thats being just as close-minded as you assume other people are being.

2.) Even if you do close this, I sincerely doubt it'll stop anyone from ever raising the point again.

My personal semantics aside - theological discussions on the internet is about as bad of an idea as you can have. None of us are theologians or jesuits - it just breaks down into an "Us And Them" theme. I'm not trying to knock you down, Minion but come on.

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass

Holy shit, man. GOD can be proud? But we CAN'T be?

What kind of hypocrisy is this? A Good Leader should always set the example for his people!

Thats the basic idea behind Feuerbachian thought: Man is his own God.

Originally Posted by Essence Of Christianity, Chapter XVIII. The Christian Heaven, or Personal Immortality

Our most essential task is now fulfilled. We have reduced the supermundane, supernatural, and superhuman nature of God to the elements of human nature as its fundamental elements. Our process of analysis has brought us again to the position with which we set out. The beginning, middle and end of religion is MAN.

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass

LeHah, I've read Anton LaVey. I know. But thats a bunch of bullshit too, since it exists only to counteract the Church. "HEY! We're here just to SPOOK THE CHRISTIANS! WE ARE OUR OWN GOD. WOOOO Lets have a RITUAL SACRIFICE, even though we DONT EVEN BELIEVE IN THIS SHIT!" I loathe LaVey.

Hehehe, half-right. I think Feuerbach was more "Hey, stop this shit about there being a higher power if you can't support the idea with logic. Just be happy you are the highest power you know and get on with your freaking lives, foo"

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Is it me - or does Minion suddenly sound a hell of a lot like Matthew Harrison Brady all the sudden? "God tells Brady what is good; to be against Brady is to be against God!"

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Minion

What are you talking about Lehah? I just said that I don't know what God is thinking...

You're literlly sounding like you walked off the set of Inherit the Wind.

Minion: If a Muslim doesn't really understand the Gospel and never gets around to rejecting it, I don't seriously know if he's any different from a baby in God's eyes. What I do know is that it's up to God. I don't know who goes to hell and who doesn't. I do know that if you want to be separate from God, he gives you what he wants, but people who just don't get it?

LeHah: Is it me - or does Minion suddenly sound a hell of a lot like Matthew Harrison Brady all the sudden? "God tells Brady what is good; to be against Brady is to be against God!"

Minion: What are you talking about Lehah? I just said that I don't know what God is thinking...

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Henry Drummond: Is that the way of things? God tells Brady what is good; to be against Brady is to be against God!

Matthew Harrison Brady: No! Every man is a free agent!

Henry Drummond: Then what is Bertram Cates doing in the Hillsboro Jail?

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Minion

I'm saying I don't know, but I believe God will accomodate anyone who wants to be with Him. Far from telling you what the "way of things" is.

Well, how can you say you don't know "the way of things" - but you can tell me God is accomodating anyone?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Minion

That's the kind of guy God seems to be, from what I understand and believe, based on my research and personal experience.

I'm glad you can get a know someone on such a deep personal level - but if I told you my invisible friend named Horthax The Sungod was a great guy and liked to eat smelly cheese, how would you take it?

I mean, are you so arrogant to say you've solved one of the greatest mysteries of all time?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?