X-Men 3

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

Lehah, is the Juggernaut in this one?

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Originally Posted by Devo

I'm guessing XMen 3 tries too hard to incorporate a crapload of mutants that we should care about even though we've never seen them before and most non-comic book readers have no f'in clue what they're about.

You mean like the last two movies which were very successful with general audiences?

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Originally Posted by Devo

The second we still had the same cast, and their characters were just elaborated on. In this one we get Juggernaut, Beast, Angel, Shadowcat, Callisto, Colossus (bit part in the 2nd I know along with Kitty). If there isn't a good explanation for Juggernaut I'm going to be disappointed.

As opposed to other half-assed characters from the previous movies like Jason Stryker, Pyro, Toad or Sabretooth?

The movies are known for being too big for their britches. Quit your bitch'n.

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Originally Posted by Crash Landon

Executives think we want that shit. This is the same fucked-up logic that causes them to put rollerblading kangaroos on drink boxes.

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Originally Posted by Crash Landon

If Quill is meant to bite the big one, then I feel they could've at least found a REAL, expendable character. Husk or Northstar comes to mind.

I can name a couple of mutants who'd be great to throw into a X-Men movie - but can't we all forget about Generation X? After the original artist left, the series completely shit the bed. (House Of M, my ass)

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One of the CFOs or CEOs at FOX has already greenlighted X-Men 4, according to various news sources.

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Originally Posted by quazi

Only the best trilogies have 4 parts.

But stupid, snide remarks by jerks are not only left to the internet.

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Originally Posted by BucPride

Spoiler:

After the credits roll, we saw Xavier inprinted on a comatose patient on Muir Island. That could be Xavier's 'rebirth' so to speak. However, I find it hard for the story to continue minus all the characters they've killed off.

Xavier once said, "There are no pearly gates for the X-Men. Instead, there are revolving doors"

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Originally Posted by Crash Landon

I saw the film tonight. It was actually better than I expected. One point annoyed me, something which displayed a general lack of back knowledge on the writers' part.

Spoiler:

When Kitty and Juggernaut square off in Leech's quarters, she fakes Juggernaut out by drawing him into Leech's "range", causing Juggernaut to helplessly collide with a reinforced wall. This is fucking stupid, as Cain Marko is not and never was a mutant. Any longtime fan can tell you that his power comes from the Gem of Cyttorak, a completely external source. Leech's presence should've had no effect and Kitty should have, by all rights, been a mutant pancake.

Well, the comics and the movies are not part of the same continuity at all. Otherwise Rogue would be much older, Storm would probably have an accent and we'd've had the whole Lillandra/Shi'ar Empire/M'Kraan thing for the Phoenix.

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Jubilee has been in all three X-Men movies so far, but been deligated to background bit-player stuff. She didn't even have any lines in the first movie.

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To quote one of the great books of the 20th century - "You're a very pretty girl, so I don't mind your ignorance"

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I did not pay to see X-Men 3 - but I would like my money back

Ill have a greater detailed review when this spastic colon stops

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Originally Posted by Furby

The movie did lack quite a bit when it comes to filling in the plot holes.

Here, lets me a list of obvious things that the movie did not cover

Spoiler:

*Who's the genius who ships Mystique in a GIANT METAL CONTAINER, and is escorted by several VERY METAL CARS? You're telling me the govenment is smart enough to make plastic guns but not to find an alternate method of prisoner movement?

*Why kill Jean? Why didn't Logan approach her and stab her with one of the Cure vials?

*Why does Jean syphon off Scott's life? Thats Rogue's schtick, isn't it?

*How is it that Juggernaut can run through 15 walls but when he comes to Leech, he runs full speed into one and more or less bounces off it with narry a scratch to the wall?

*Why is it sunset when the Golden Gate bridge is moving but when Magneto and his cronies line up to attack, it looks like its 10 pm?

*A lot of mutants have jumping powers - did it strike anyone as odd that all of Mangeto's "pawns" jumped REALLY far during the attack on Alcatraz?

*The whole "class 3" thing wasn't explained at all. Not only was it fuckin 12 year old mentality that decided someone should come up with a RATING SYSTEM FOR MUTANT POWERS, how would anyone outside of the government know about it? I don't think Calysto looks the type for pants suits and good manners.

*Why was Jean horny for Logan? She wasn't that way with Scott. Not to mention, you'd think if some undead girl scratches you deep enough to leave perverbial claw marks, theres something more going on than just kinky sex.

*Why did the X-Jet have a cloaking device? What is this, TITAN AE? And if they had a cloaking device - why did they use it only just before landing?

*Why did they put in Kitty Pryde? Garish pesimism tells me that its because someone at FOX wants to swap about the Famke Jansons for more appearances by Jojo as a mighty Marvel mutant. Kitty - a character I've come to like over the years - is treated as nothing more than a 13 year old sex object by Bobby Drake and the audience. All she does is attempt to fill Anna Paquin's boobs, er, boots and while your preference in girls is your own, Anna has an Oscar while the other girl has no name as far as I know.

*Did the Danger Room take anyone else out of the movie? I mean, yeah, jets coming out of basketball courts aint exactly real either - but jets exist in real life - something Bryan Singer seemed to be driving into our skulls the first two movies. However, big holographic robots don't really work. They don't exist. Not to mention, putting in a Sentinel is just fuckin masturbative.

*Okay, so Jean kills the Professor. I'd've liked to have seen some FUCKING VENGENCE from Magneto. Sure, Jean had him telepathically pinned to the sink but that doesn't mean he can't use his powers.

*Why was R Lee Ermey's disembodied voice in this movie?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by JazzFlight

Spoiler:

Wasn't it obvious? He lost his powers once he came near Leech.

That doesn't account for the wall being untouched after he ran into it.

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Originally Posted by Bradylama

Well, Juggernaut's power is that he's unstoppable. When his power was based on the magical properties of the whatever crystal, it was halfway believeable in that metaphysical sense in that he could defy physics. All of these comic movies are going with the Ultimate Marvel version of things, though, so Juggernaut is a mutant. If Leech is around to suck out his mutant powers, then Juggernaut loses all of his inertia. He wasn't really running that fast to begin with.

That still doesn't explain the lack of effect on the wall. If anyone runs at a wall and hits it, they're bound to dent or scuff it. Not to mention, "dickhead" had a giant metal helmet on to boot.

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Originally Posted by Bradylama

If it was a drywall, you're probably right. I think it was, even. You'd think the walls in Alcatraz would me made of stronger stuff, though.

I've done more running headbutts on school lockers to know that the wall would've had a dent in it.

Originally Posted by Furby

I always thought that Juggernaut wasn't a mutant, I thought he gained his power from a different way, at least in the old cartoon he did..

Correct - Juggernaut got his powers from a mystical gem.

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Originally Posted by Devo

According to Marve,l Juggernaut weighs 900 lbs.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Juggernaut_(Cain_Marko)

Marvel and movie continuity are not the same

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Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

Okay, I just realized. WHY DIDN't WOLVERINE JUST STICK THOSE SERUM NEEDLES IN JEAN?

Probably because she was tearing everything apart around her - but the attempt should've certainly been made on both Logan and the screenwriter's part.

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Originally Posted by Skexis

Professor X called Phoenix a being of pure instinct. I don't think it was supposed to be Jean. Wolverine realized as much.

Dude, he was grinding her for a full half minute after she ripped him open.

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Originally Posted by VitaPup

This was posted on an IMDB thread and I thought it was interesting.

People on the internet who think that companies are out to ruin their favorite franchises are dime-a-dozen idiots. Obviously, FOX wouldn't have invested at all if they wanted to "ruin" anything; why spend the money?

I'll tell you flat out that nothing had to do with "Singer's sexual orientation". I don't see him being aquitted of child molestation during Apt Pupil ruining his career - why would being gay?

You have to be especially careful of what you read on IMDB these days; it's more or less just another Wiki where people post stuff that they want to see/hear/believe. But unlike Wiki, getting stuff removed or edited once its on IMDB is very, very tough.

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Originally Posted by VitaPup

I was refering mostly to the later 1/2 of the article where it talks about the phoenix in the prior movies

Singer has mentioned in interviews that the Phoenix was a last minute addition to the script. If you read the comic adaptation of X2, you'll see the originally scripted fate of Stryker (Magneto kills him) - which shows how late in the game some of the changes were made, given that the comic was made from the script and took probably about 5 weeks to adapt, draw, etc.

Originally Posted by VitaPup

...and fox rushing the movie out to theaters.

FOX made an investment. Why should they NOT rush to get a hot property out their doors? Movies are costing more and more money and taking in less and less profit. Sitting on the dailies and rushes does not pay FOX's bills.

This is just the internet telling it's self it's important and intelligent when all it is is some 14 year old thinking he's smart by connecting the dots to things that aren't even there. (I'm not talking about YOU, Im talking about the general "conspiracy theory" internet assholes)

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I find it amazing that so many people are willing to accept that Cyclops is dead. We never see a body and the fact that every character has to repeatedly remind us that he's dead is more like them shoving a foreshadowing clue down our throats that he ISN'T dead.

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Originally Posted by chaofan

I don't know... I suppose if they insinuate that Xavier is alive then...

I don't know if "insinuation" is the proper word given that we hear Patrick Stewart's voice.

Originally Posted by chaofan

I don't think Cyclops could've survived that attack from Phoenix.

Why?

Originally Posted by chaofan

Sure he may be powerful but she was "off the scale" (or so they say).

We also don't see what she does, really. Any number of things could've happened after the camera cut away. Theres no evidence to support Scott being dead aside from supposition and third party dialouge.

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BTW, does he survive in the comic book (or was the Phoenix arc completely warped)?

The movie and the comic are two entirely seperate stories. The comic is incredibly sweeping and epic - the movie is not.

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Originally Posted by chaofan

I'm aware of some X-men stuff, but I wouldn't know how strong Cyclops is. But hell if Phoenix can "shake" a whole island like that then what chance does he have?

I don't see her shaking an island during the scene with Scott. It would seem that her powers manifest themselves in different ways.

Originally Posted by chaofan

And I agree that your view of the movie. You can virtually feel the lack of love in making that movie. I think I might read to comics to understand the movies more... But where to get?

Recommended Reading

Days Of Future Past
God Loves, Man Kills (Basis for X2, much better story than the movie was. Be careful not to get an AWFUL follow-up of the same name)
Dark Phoenix Saga

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Originally Posted by Zato-1

I never expected u to be a reader of X-men LeHah, and such a devoted one, at that..

I devoted a long period in my young life to comics. Now that I'm older, while I don't really collect anymore, theres a number of facets to my old hobby that I still enjoy. I love buying the occassional comic to see what an artist is up to - Al Williamson or Sal Buschema, especially.

Originally Posted by Zato-1

In other words, the more "mature" ones, if you will?

I already recommended God Loves, Man Kills above. It's a VERY heavy issue that covers racism, religious animosity and ethical questions in a more "worldly" fashion than most comics would. They actually have one of the X-Men scream "Nigger" in one scene.

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I'm not sure if any of those Amazon.com links are for the right titles, given the reviews. However, the COVER is the correct image for God Loves, Man Kills

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