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I'm all for anti-smoking laws. Of every kind. I'm the guy who would ban all sale of cigarette everywhere, and ban smoking... everywhere.

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Would you keep an employee away if he smoked?

I'd avoid my own brother if he smoked. If you smoke, you reek. If you reek, you're unpleasant to be around. That's without even getting into any possible health considerations of second or third hand smoke, and the detrimental effect on the mood and image of a place that's staffed by employees that are always outside being an eyesore with their cigs.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Well, although all smokers stink, not all people who stink... smoke.

Really, there is no legitimate reason for allowing smoking, at least not while so many less harmful things are banned. There is a definite double-standard here. A society that bans things like weed but allows tobacco?

The only reason that smoking is still around is because it's embedded in the country economically, and because so many people are hooked on killing themselves and those around them that to try to ban it is more or less out of the question. I for one think that forcing everyone to go cold turkey, and ruining a few small convenience store businesses, would be a worthwhile price to pay. It'd be over soon.

Of course, that's not feasible and probably never will be, so I content myself with being very happy with the laws banning it in public places.

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Oh that's cute, you read the newspaper like a grownup. Health concerns based on the smell of someone's clothing. In a world powered by petroleum, I call shennanigans.

I only brought up the third-hand smoke because a poster before me did. It never even occurred to me to worry about it before that, and I haven't done enough research on the subject to judge whether it's a legitimate concern or not.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Grail

To be fair, I don't particularly like cigarettes or weed. But if I had my choice between somebody that just smelled like tobacco, or somebody that smelled like weed and ACTED LIKE A COMPLETE FUCKING RETARD WHILE DOING SO.

It's not a matter of which one I'd rather be around, it's a matter of which one makes more sense to illegalize. Sad as it is, people acting like dumbfucks can't be regulated. Weed does tend to attract that sort. But unlike tobacco, weed doesn't directly impact the user's health.

And no, I don't touch weed with a ten foot pole. It may not have any long-term health risks (although I'm not entirely sold on that point either), but everyone I've ever been around who smokes it is a fucking retard. Regardless if that has anything to do with the weed or not, I'd rather not be associated with that crowd.

As for the drinking, I don't drink much or often. I brought up weed to contrast tobacco with an example of something that IS prosecuted and illegalized in the US for far less reason. Try to contain your need to run off with baseless assumptions and judgments in the future.

How ya doing, buddy?

Denicalis, your unrelenting vitriol is difficult to take seriously. I sometimes wonder if you're actually a really nice guy somewhere who comes to GFF solely to experience his perception of life as an ass. Then I remember who I'm thinking about.

I'm not entirely sure what your point is, so I'll contest the one part of your post that seems to be relevant: You appear to be operating under the impression that I think smoking should be banned because it smells bad.

Yes, smoking and smokers tend to smell bad (although someone brought up a good point when they mentioned that that will depend in part on the brand of cigarette), and second-hand smoke should never be something that we have to suffer through in public areas. But I'm mainly against it because of the horrible health repercussions, both on the user and on anyone who is around them often. Like children of parents who smoke, for instance. I'm against smoking in all forms because it is a terrible addiction that causes early death and long-term health issues.

If it was something that only affected the people smoking, I wouldn't care. If they don't value their own health, then why should I value it, after all? But the second-hand smoke effects everyone around them. The money they spend on cigs is money that won't be spent on improving their lives or the lives of their family and children. Sure, some of it will go towards the government and maybe, maybe make it back to the family in some shape or form, but that's hardly a comfort to those whose minimum-wage parents are throwing away their limited funds on the cigs. And then there is the simple fact that even people who don't value their own health are generally loved and valued by someone else, usually family.

My children will likely not know their grand parents well, because they'll die an early death because of their addiction. And if they don't, well... I won't let them spend much time with them anyways, because I can't allow them to look up to a smoker as a role model or authority if I can at all help it. And that is a damn shame.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

As much as I hate to admit, it, give the browbeating methods you guys use to convince people around here, banning them outright like I was saying is probably a bit... extreme. It's not feasible, it's not fair to the addicts, and it's a bit too big brother. You guys are right. On that issue, at least. I'll address a couple things before I bow out:

Lurker: I wasn't referring to my own parents; it was my fiance's. Not that that makes much of a difference, I'm sure, since the same arguments could just be leveled at her. Despite this, a parent's #1 concern is generally going to be their children's well-being. Exposing them frequently to an authority figure or role model that smokes is contrary to the parent's need to raise their kids to not smoke. And said kids' future is more important than the feelings of the grandparents. Grandparents who, at least in the case of my fiance's parents, will understand and respect the reasoning behind it, even if it pains them.

Moving on, my brother does not smoke. If he did, I would not break off the relationship, for the reasons you so elegantly pointed out. I would likely not spend as much time with him though, and the same reasoning that applied to the kids and grandparents would apply to him.

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Are you going to address the automotive exhaust parallel anytime in the next week, you dodgy cunt?

I'm not familiar with the automotive exhaust dangers. I have no opinion, and won't until I know enough to justify opening my mouth on the subject. You understand, I'm sure.

I was speaking idiomatically.