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Old Jun 15, 2006, 08:36 PM Local time: Jun 15, 2006, 07:36 PM #1 of 32
Eh, it's been alright so far. The thing with Lily was pretty stupid, as was a lot of this episode's plot, but everything else was good, like the Nova group stuff. I admit that it'll probably be hard for them to follow up on season 2, which has been the best season so far in my opinion, but I still think that this will manage to be good.

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Old Jul 9, 2006, 02:02 AM Local time: Jul 9, 2006, 01:02 AM #2 of 32
Cool, some actual discussion is going on.

Anyway, my thoughts:

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Richard would be my main guess as well. Now that Lily is gone and Isabel is grown up, he doesn't really have that major of a role anymore, so it could be plausible that he would be killed off.

As for Marco, eh, I never really cared for him that much. I guess that if he died it moght register some shock, but not the whole "someone you least expect" kind of shock.

Alana is someone I really doubt they'll kill off. I mean, she was just added to the cast this year, so I highly doubt she'll be the one killed off.

My number two pick would be Shawn, though. That would definitely surprise me, and I can see it being logical. They could work it in like maybe Tom is about to shoot Isabel or something, and he gets in the way instead. Not only that, but it could also set up the way for Jordan Collier's return, which has to happen sooner or later. Thinking more about it, Shawn seems more likely than even Richard now.


Regardless of who it is, I just hope it winds up being good!

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Old Jul 9, 2006, 02:08 PM Local time: Jul 9, 2006, 01:08 PM #3 of 32
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I'm assuming you mean Matthew, and yeah, that guy is pretty annoying. But looking at the situation, there's really nothing he could do to stop Jordan Collier from coming back, despite the fact that he doesn't want him to. I ultimately hope that Jordan comes back, Shawn stays, and Matthew goes, as I loved the relationship between Jordan and Shawn in season 2 and would love to see more of that.


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Old Jul 9, 2006, 02:36 PM Local time: Jul 9, 2006, 01:36 PM #4 of 32
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That's what I liked about him, though. I hated him in season 1, but in season 2 he became one of my favorite characters, just because of all the stuff he did like making The 4400 Center. Despite the Scientology undertones (that the producers admitted to purposely putting in there), you can't deny that The 4400 Center added a new dynamic to the show, especially in its willingness to go against NTAC.


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Old Jul 9, 2006, 07:55 PM Local time: Jul 9, 2006, 06:55 PM #5 of 32
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Well, considering how powerful she is, I never really expected Isabel to be the one that dies in the first place. I mean, she could be an amalgamation of every other 4400, which means she might have all of their powers. If this is true, she might not be able to ever truly die (this being linked to Jordan Collier possibly having the power of resurrection, since that's the only thing that can really explain why he's alive right now), so in a sense their way of wording it is kind of wrong. But oh well, we'll know who's dead for sure in the next hour. Can't wait to see it!


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Old Jul 9, 2006, 09:25 PM Local time: Jul 9, 2006, 08:25 PM #6 of 32
Damn, I can't read your post right now, because my electricity went out about halfway through the episode. I'm gonna have to wait until when they replay the episode again later tonight to read your post and give my impressions on it.

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Old Jul 10, 2006, 02:17 AM Local time: Jul 10, 2006, 01:17 AM #7 of 32
Okay, now I've seen the whole episode.

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I'm glad to see Matthew go as well, as his character was pretty annoying (don't get me wrong though, the actor who played him was definitely good, he just unfortunately had one of those characters that you love to hate, kinda like Gregory Itzin playing President Logan on 24). Even so, it wasn't that big of a shock, not only because his character wasn't that important, but also because if you look closely at the behind the scenes stuff, it kind of makes sense.

Take last season with Billy Campbell (Jordan Collier) for example. I found it weird that the actor who played such a major character, and one that had been in every episode so far that season, wouldn't be in the opening credits. Lo and behold, they wound up killing him off halfway through the season, and on the DVD commentary, the producers said they knew from the beginning of the season that he was leaving the show. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the same kind of situation that came up with Garret Dillahunt, which led to Matthew being killed of the show.

As for why Matthew gave that stuff to Isabelle earlier, my guess is that maybe he somehow knew for sure that she wouldn't use it, or maybe it was just a fake and he was testing her. Either way, I don't think he would have actually let her die, especially now that we know he had this secret plot in mind.

But anyway, the main thing is that he's gone now, which hopefully means we'll see the return of Jordan Collier sometime soon (since, as capable as Shawn and even Richard might be, neither of them seem to have the kind of qualities like Jordan or Matthew had when it came to running things at The 4400 Center).

I kinda doubt it was the future that took him and then put him back though, because if they did, why did they make Kyle kill him in the first place? I definitely think it has to be related to some kind of power of his on why he's still alive, which is why I'm guessing it might be resurection. I'm not saying that it's totally impossible that the future put him back, it just seems pretty unlikely to me.

And yeah, this whole revelation thing in the previews every week is kind of annoying. I don't know if they have always done this or not though, since this is the first season that I've watched on TV instead of DVD. If they keep this up, I might just stop watching them.

But anyway, as for who this person is that is a part of the Nova Group, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Dennis Ryland. They set him up to return at the end of this episode, and he certainly would be one to betray NTAC again. The only problem with this, of course, is that the Nova Group was trying to kill him in the first place. If he does wind up being the one in the Nova Group, they certainly have some explaining to do.


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Old Jul 10, 2006, 10:51 PM Local time: Jul 10, 2006, 09:51 PM #8 of 32
I haven't read that diary. Is it on the official website or something?

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Old Jul 12, 2006, 05:18 PM Local time: Jul 12, 2006, 04:18 PM #9 of 32
Originally Posted by FadedReality
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Hrmm... I downloaded the 2nd season so I missed out on the commentary, but why even bother with the shot of Jordan on the beach if the actor left the show? The character being alive and being a major character through the entire 1st season and part of the 2nd would lead one to believe Jordan would come back into the plot somewhere.
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Well, the only reason the actor left the show was so he could go on some 18-month cruise around the world. I guess they knew that he would be willing to come back after this so they filmed that scene in anticipation of that.


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