[Movie] Prison Break (Season 2 Discussion Thread)

Originally Posted by BZ

There is a sneak peak of Season 2 available on DirectTV. I forget what channel.

It seems that for one thing...

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that Fichtners character will somehow realize about Michael's Tattoo and its significance

and regarding Teabag

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he survives

Tomorrow comin like wut.

I've never seen that sneak peek or whatever, but you can pretty much tell those things just from the commercials and the trailer. Combine those with interviews available online and stuff, and you can pretty much tell that

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everyone who was alive in season finale is coming back, including Haywire, Tweener, and Dr. Tancredi.

The notable exception of course is President Reynolds, since Patricia Wettig basically left the show (she wasn't under contract, and decided to work on the show Brothers & Sisters instead of returning to Prison Break) and they didn't recast the role. I personally think this is really stupid, and while I wouldn't want them to recast the role, they shouldn't have to wait and just hope that the other show gets cancelled just so she can come back (I can't believe they're doing this too, especially after they went through the same thing with C-Note last year).

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Man, that was a fucking great episode.

The beginning started off a little weak (am I seriously supposed to believe that as close as all those guys were to them, they wait until the last minute to actually take a shot at them?), but once they got past that the show really started to pick up.

One thing that I liked was how Michael really doesn't give a shit about the others anymore. Even after the relationships he's formed with them, all he gives a shit about is him and Lincoln, just like when he first went in to Fox River. I mainly like it because I can't wait to see them all go their own ways, as it'll be interesting to see what they do without Micheal's careful planning.

Agent Mahone seems like a pretty good character. He's like one step down from being Michael's equal, so watching him try to chase him down is pretty fun to watch.

T-Bag (why does everyone keep calling him Teabag?) was pretty boring, as his story was predictable. Even with the predictability though, the way it was executed was seemed kinda cliche (right off the top of my head I can think of scenes on 24 and Buffy when a doctor in a small clinic who isn't skilled enough to perform whatever procedure needed is forced to to do it anyway). Hopefully once they gey past this, he'll get some more interesting storylines.

I'm rethinking them actually keeping Dr. Tancredi alive, because as of now she's pretty useless. Maybe later they'll make her do something interesting, like help out Michael or something, but right now there's really not that much for her character to do. I guess the main thing for her is supposed to be how much trouble will she be in, but that's not really that important overall.

And damn, Veronica. Definitely didn't expect that. In retrospect, I guess it makes sense, since if she did expose Terrence it would essentially end the series, but just the way it happened was pretty shocking.

Again, that was a great episode, a great way to kick off the new season. It had a different feel than season 1, but that just helps keep the show fresh. Next week's episode looks good as well, and I hope they can keep this up fpr a whole season. I honestly don't know if they can keep this up, but I hope they do.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

While she was at Terrence Steadman's house, she called the cops on her cell phone. When they came, one of the officers pulled his gun out and said "Are you alright, Mr. Steadman?" He then pointed the gun at Veronica and then shot her. Afterwards it was revealed that it wasn't cops that came, but government agents, who said that they receive all calls made to the police station in Blackfoot.

And she's definitely dead too. Not only did they show that her body had been shot in the head and in the chest, but they also took her body out in several bags, which means they cut her up.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Last night's episode was definitely awesome.

I really liked T-Bag's scenes, especially the one when he was holding up the Vet. And so far he's had the least amount of interaction with anyone, so I'd say he has the best chance of making it to Utah.

Tweener just strikes me as stupid, and I'm surprised he's gotten as far as he has. I'd be surprised if he actually makes it to Utah, at least with Debra Jean.

As for Michael and Lincoln, they had a good plan to try and get LJ out, but they just couldn't pull it off. If Michael would have at least just shot Mahone in the shoulder or something, they could have gotten away with it, but he didn't want to shoot him at all. Had it been the other way around (Lincoln holding the gun and Michael pulling LJ out), I could definitely see LJ being free now.

They definitely have a lot planned out for this season. Just looking at Michael and Lincoln alone, they have to get some help for Lincoln, try to get the money in Utah, break LJ out in Arizona, and still prove Lincoln's innocence. I had my doubts about where this season could go, but now I don't doubt it at all.

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Originally Posted by Umma

I didn't get it, which gun was the one that fell to the elevator? The real or fake one? Why did Mahone react if they still had the other gun?

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I was surprised to see them running on plain sight of everyone when they were trying to escape. I though they'd be more sneaky! That just adds more action to the series!

Also, I'm looking forward to the new episodes to see what happens with the other guys now that they've gone separate ways. And I *really* want to know what was of Haywire. He's the most likely to be captured first.

How humane of T-Bag not to stab the doctor to death.

Also, what happened to Lincoln's father? Will he appear again?

It was the fake one that fell, and the fact that they had a fake gun at all is probably what lead Mahone to think that they would never use a gun on him (otherwise they would have came in with a real one).

As for their father, I imagine he'll probably come back sometime this season, when the time is right. The actor who plays him (Tony Denison) is one of the main characters on The Closer, and since that show has finished shooting its second season, he should be free to come back and do Prison Break.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Eh, last night's episode was alright, but it was kinda pointless for what it achieved in the end. Michael went through all that trouble for something that would, at most, keep the FBI off their trail for about a week. He says they'll be in Mexico by then, but knowing this show, you know that ain't gonna happen.

And now that they're all out, everybody else's stories seem pretty boring. They're definitely dragging those out, because once they're over, they're over. They still have the money to deal with of course, so maybe something good will come of that.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Damn, I'd say that was the best episode so far this season. Every storyline was good, with a level of suspense that was definitely up to par with last season. If they keep this up, this season might turn out to be just as good as the last, and going by the preview for next week, they just might.

I especially loved T-Bag's story. Everything he did was great, from lying his way out of that situation with the car, to falling back into his old habits by trying to get with that guy's daughter. Awesome.

As for that bald guy, I don't think anything about him has been touched on yet. If I had to take a guess though, I think he might not have anything at all to do with Scofield. I think he might have something to do with an old case of Mahone's, maybe someone else who got away or something. I don't know, but it'll all probably be explained in the next few episodes.

EDIT: Oh snap, Acro-nym beat me to it.

As for Bellick and Geary, I don't think they were trying to kill Michael and Lincoln, they were just trying to run them off the road, which they did.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Hantei

Oh, so I missed the first 2 episodes and I was wondering, what happend to Sucre and C-Note? As I haven't seen them appear at all in the 3rd episode.

They've pretty much been focusing on different sets of characters in each episode for the stories other than Michael and Lincoln. They had Sucre and C-Note featured pretty prominently last week, so this week they didn't use them at all, instead going back to Abruzzi and Tweener (T-Bag has been in pretty much every episode as well). Haywire is the only one they haven't had a story for yet.

As for their stories, Sucre went to New York to try to stop Maricruz's wedding to his cousin, but when he got there he found out it was in Vegas, not New York. And as for C-Note, he tried to get his family to come with him, but his wife was reluctant to do it, and even called the feds to report him. That's about it for now.

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Originally Posted by Acro-nym

Maybe this is because he doesn't know about Utah.

But still, they should have some type of follow-up on him. He's the craziest guy of the bunch, and he's just riding around freely? I'm sure they can think of some kind of wacky adventure for him to be in! And I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Silas Weir Mitchell said he was going to be in season 2, so it's just a matter of time before he comes back.

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Shit, this season just keeps getting better and better. Just like last week, they had another great, suspenseful episode that got me out of my seat more than a few times.

First, more T-Bag <3. Seriously, he's like the best character on the show in my opinion. He's just so...slimy, that you just love to hate him. Everything he did on the show tonight got me excited in some way, and I can't wait for more scenes with him. Someone needs to get Robert Knepper an Emmy already.

Michael and Lincoln were great this week as well. Definitely some good action scenes (attacking that guy at the store, manhandling T-Bag and Tweener). It'll be great to see what Michael plans to get the money now that it's not that easy to get to.

Mahone is starting to get annoying, mainly because of this drug thing. I understand them wanting to make him more than just a Scofield clone, but it just seems like they could do it in a better way.

Next week looks like it's gonna be just as good as tonight's episode was, so I can't wait for that. Man, this season started off a little slow, but now its definitely gotten way better, just as good as season 1.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by BZ

YEah so what drugs were those?

I'm not sure, but I think he said Midazolam or something like that hen he was talking to the dealer.

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And even though Tbag is a sweet charracter, I don't think Knepper deserves an emmy at all.

I definitely think Robert Knepper should win an Emmy for best supporting actor. If they can give one to William Shatner (whose only good acting now is actually making people believe he can act), they should definitely give one to him.

Originally Posted by Acro-nym

How did C-Note escape from that trap a couple of episodes ago?

I think it had to do with the porch light he mentioned to his daughter. He told her to have her mom turn it on by seven or whatever, so that he would know that she's going along with him. But when he went there, the light wasn't on, because his wife was talking to that FBI agent, so that's probably when he just decided to go after the money instead.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Oh, well then I don't know. Maybe he just did that so he could get confirmation from her that she still wanted to be with him, and then once he got the money he planned to come back and take her and their daughter away to Mexico or something. Otherwise, he would have just took the money for himself and then left. That's the only thing I can think of that makes sense.

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Eh, some parts of tonight's episode worked for me, and some parts didn't. It definitely wasn't as good as the last couple of episodes have been, though.

I don't know if it's good or bad that they're already depending on the "Who will die?" so early in the season. We've already had one death and one capture this season, so to have another death so early in the season seems like they're just piling it on because they're running out of ideas.

And by the way, what's with the website? The last thing we need is for this to become another Lost. I went to it (http://europeangoldfinch.net), and I couldn't really connect it with the show yet. Hopefully it never will be used, but I doubt that.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Umma

Huh? What are you talking about? Context, please. What's with that site?

Yeah, like Acro-nym said, Michael mentioned it (at least three times, no less), saying it was a place wher they could all communicate if something went wrong (which now, as we can obviously see, it has).

Originally Posted by nazpyro

Yeah, that was Abruzzi. Peter Stormare did the "german engineering in da haus, ja" pimp my ride commercials, and I just tend to not care about actors' character names in different settings.

Are you trying to get him sued or something? They were "Un-pimp ze auto" commercials, not that ther show you mentioned.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I kinda figured it would be Tweener dying tonight, but I never expected it ot go down like that. I don't know how Mahone expects anyone to actually believe that Tweener killed himself (aside from the broken car windows, there's the question of how he escaped custody in the first place, where did he get the gun from, and how he actually shot himself with handcuffs on), so hopefully they address this in the next episode.

Anyway, aside from that, this episode wasn't really that exciting. Holding those women hostage wasn't that interesting, since they never actually came into play, Governor Tancredi's death seemed totally pointless, and the Sucre thing at the end just seemed stupid, not to mention out of character for him. To top everything off, they tell us we have to wait three weeks for new episode. Meh.

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Originally Posted by Acro-nym

The explanation would probably be that Tweener stole a pistol somehow (either by catching Mahone off guard or grabbing one when someone wasn't looking). Mahone could then say he shot him in self-defense.

Well, that will probably pass for this show, but I still don't really find that believable. Don't forget, there's also the question of why were they out there in the middle of nowhere in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Umma

Was it sure he killed himself? Didn't the asian guy say something about that to Kellerman?

No, I figured out from the beginning that someone else probably killed him, and just made it look like a suicide (Walt Cummings like what). I just can't figure out why. What exactly did he know that was so critical that they had to kill him?

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What? Why?

Baseball (probably most boring sport to watch ever). FOX is going to be showing the World Series for most of October.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Chris James

And also remember he had ties to the government in the case of Nick, so he plays both sides(And not in the sexual way).

Well actually, Nick wasn't connected to the government (he was just a lawyer for Project Justice), so I guess that means Abruzzi wasn't either (Abruzzi was just using him to get to Veronica so he could eventually get to Michael).

Sorry, he's dead.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Chris James

*Cough* Must I remind you they faked the VPs brothers death too?

Yeah, but they actually had a purpose for doing that. What good would keeping Abruzzi alive do for the FBI?

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When you have ties to the government...it's VERY possible.

Okay, but I already disproved your theory on how he had any ties to the government. Unless you can give me some other way in which he was connected (which, based on what's already known, you can't), this isn't very possible.

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There was no funeral procession. Hell, his wife wasn't even told. Not to mention it wasn't a fatal shot that took him down like that of Veronica who took one straight to the head.

Okay, how is the fact that he got shot at by like over six people with semi-automatic weapons, with at least three large shots near the heart shown,(check the video here) mean that there wasn't a fatal shot?

And just because they didn't show his wife being told about his death or a funeral procession doesn't mean that they didn't happen. Aside from the time constraints (the show is only 44 minutes, so it's not like they can show every little thing), there are some other things to think about. His wife knew where he was, and was helping him escape, so that itself could be seen as a crime (aiding a fugitive or something), which means they would be rushing to arrest her faster than they would be trying to tell her that her husband is dead. This arrest would obviously delay any funeral that might be had.

Sorry, I just don't see anything supporting him being alive. Making up wild theories may help you cope with his death better, but you're never gonna have any cold hard evidence saying he's alive (you'll just be like naz and his crazy "Tony is still alive" theories).

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Originally Posted by Chris James

And what's your cold hard evidence that's he's dead?

Does the term "bullet proof vest" mean anything to you? He was shot in the chest. Not in the head. There's no way it was DEFINATELY a fatal shot.

Did you watch the video again? I mean c'mon, you're acting as if the head is the only part where you can get shot and it can be fatal. Getting shot in the heart (which would involve aiming at the chest, which all the agents were), can be just as fatal (if not moreso) as being shot in the head.

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Does the term "Mob Boss" mean anything? All mob bosses have ties to the government.

What?

I wish I could tell you to stop believing all stereotypes are true, but I've never even heard of this being true of all mob bosses (real or fictional).

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If he's dead, he's dead. But they left this open in case they need to bring him back(Like if fans show intrest in the character, they can bring him back) That's not possible with Veronica or Tweener. They both has visable(shown) shots to the head. Now unless I'm missing something here...Abruzzi wasn't shot in the head. And he could have been wearing a bullet proof vest.

No offense to Peter Stormare, but if he was really that popular, they just never would have killed him off in the first place. I mean, he was the only main credited cast member from last year (of the prisoners, anyway) that's been billed as a guest star for this season, so they probably had plans from the beginning of the season to kill him off.

And about the bulletproof vest, it's not like it's designed to take simultaneous semi-automatic gunfire, so do you really think it could withstand all that (and that's if you actually believe he was wearing one, which you have no proof of)? It's not like it's some type of magical device that can withstand all bullets.

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Are you(Rockgamer) absolutely positivley certain that he's dead?

YES! That's what I've been trying to tell you!

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I just don't buy it. There's too many possibilities. One is enough. I've said three.

And they're all wrong.

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Originally Posted by Chris James

I JUST watched episode 1 of season 1, just to reiterate and quote what I've been saying.

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Michael: If you were to get out of here, beyond these walls, would you have the people set in place to dissapear forever?

Abruzzi just gives him a stern look and walks away.

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Does that mean, no he doesn't? No. Abruzzi had it all set up. I guarentee...positively...that John Abruzzi will be back.

Yeah, he did have people to help him disappear when he got outside the walls. They even showed them to us. They were the Mafia. But since one of them betrayed him, he wound up getting screwed, which led to his death.

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The writers of this show have you all locked in to the fact that he died. That's what they WANT to you think. Now, think outside the box. Why wouldn't they shoot for his head? They shot for Veronica's. Mahone shot for Tweeners. Hrmm?

Actually, Mahone didn't shoot Tweener in the head, he shot him in the neck (video here). So I guess by your standards he isn't dead either.

Okay, now you think inside the box for a minute. Why would they shoot for his head? If all those FBI agents shot for his head, it would have exploded and there would have been blood everywhere. Aside from the fact that this is on FOX, and not HBO (where they could show something like that), why would they want to blow his face off beyond recognition?

Abruzzi was in a different situation than Nick, Veronica, Tweener, or anyone who has been shot on this show. All those people were shot by one person with a pistol, so a head shot might have been necessary. Abruzzi, on the other hand, was shot by over half a dozen people with semi-automatic weapons, so you wouldn't even need a head shot to take him down.

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This still goes back to my ORIGINAL statement, that Abruzzi wanted to drop off the face of the earth. And like I said...how do you do that? You fake your own death.

Terrance Steadman faked his own death, yet was still found, so that's not necessarily true.

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And they filmed Season 2 what...during the summer? The season premiere of season 2 drew in more viewers than the season premiere OR season finale of season 1. The producers would not have known if the viewers liked Abruzzi...or Tweener(I was beginning to grow to like him too) and they probably planned on killing them(amoung others coming) before they could judge what the fans wanted.

Okay, but they had all that time in season 1 to see how fans liked him, so that's not an excuse. Also, even though the premiere of season 2 had ratings, almost every episode since has been getting lower and lower, so most of those new fans probably didn't stick around.

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(EDIT**...They never showed Nick take a lethal shot either in the season finale either. Abruzzi had ties to Nick.)

You apparently still don't know the definition of lethal.

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I know for a fact I watched the last two episodes of season 1, and thats all I watched(Until I bought season 1 on DVD) and I got hooked. And when I saw how intricate of a part that Abruzzi had in season 1, thus my conspiracy. He can be if you want to look at it this way, the secondary character in the show between Michael and Lincoln respectivley.

Well, I've watched this show since the very first time it came on TV, and in addition to that, I've bought and watched the DVDs as well. So while apparently you have some type of hard-on for Abruzzi that makes you want to believe that he's still alive, all the rest of us realize he's dead and have moved on.

And just because you're trying to make him seem more important than he was in season 1 (like he wasn't just supposed to be Michael's plane bitch) doesn't mean he's actually was important. And besides, you'd have to be stupid not to realize that the secondary character in season 1 was Veronica, as she had almost as much screen time as Michael did (as opposed to Abruzzi, who was gone for half the season).

But really, you're not really addressing most of the points I bring up, and overall you're acting like an idiot. I'm not even going to respond to you after this, because it's not even worth it. Keep acting crazy if you want, but please don't do it here anymore, because you're bringing down the quality of this thread.

How ya doing, buddy?

Yeah, last night's episode was pretty good. Everyone's story was pretty good all throughout, except for Lincoln and LJ's, which really didn't get good until the very end (but even that was kind of predictable).

Mahone is turning out to be a better character than I thought possible (even though I already thought he was good), and from the reveal at the end of the last episode to what we learned in this episode, he'll definitely be a formidable force.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by adampreston16

by the way just heard he is alive and da only reason he was casted out this season was becuz he was doin a different show so dey had to write him out until season 3, he was shot by the FBI and dey thought he was dead but he WASNT he was still alive and it was all set up becuz the undertakers hu was takin his body away was in fact part of his mob, and dey took him back to his wife and kids and dey they got out of the country. the FBI already know he his not dead and he is still alive dats y they havnt released a story confirmin his death and it hasnt been mentioned because he got away.also he will either appear right at the end of season 2 to leave a cliffhanger or season 3 becuz he is goin to get in contact wit michael, so to all those hu said he was dead u r wrong he is in fact alive and well out of the country with his family and will be back in end of season 2 in the last 2 minutes or in season 3

I hope to God you aren't a dupe of that other crazy guy who kept going on about this (if you are, this will definitely give you that thread ban, if not some other kind of serious action). But even if you aren't, just please stop with this crap already. Unless you're Paul T. Scheuring himself (which, based on the quality of your post, I'm inclined to believe you are not), there's basically no way you could know anything major about the show like this.

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Originally Posted by FreeHooker

Anyways, who's pumped for Prison Break tonight? With Lost going on hiatus after this Wednesday, PB will be back in my books as the #1 show I follow.

Well, you do know that Prison Break is going on hiatus this month as well, right? I think the last new episode shown until next year will be the November 20th (or November 27th, I'm not sure) episode. And there's still no set time for it to come back, though it will probably be in March or so again like they did last season.

I think there official reasoning was something like the show doesn't repeat very well (just like Lost), so instead of showing a few repeats then a new one, they just decided to take it off for a while, and then show a string of new episodes until the finale.

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I found some things about this episode to be completely idiotic (which I will get to in a minute), but overall it was pretty great. I definitely can't wait until January (though not January 22 like they are advertising, which is just a recap episode).

Okay, so those idiotic things. First off, why were they gonna send Michael and Lincoln right back to the prison they escaped from? I know the probability of them escaping again wouldn't be that high, but it still seems idiotic to send them right back to Fox River.

Second, why was Mahone the only one looking after them during that scene in the tunnel? I know those other guards were helping with that semi, but it seems stupid that they would completely take their eyes off of them. This is made even more idiotic by the earlier scenes with that guy talking about how important their security procedures. He said all that, yet they leave Mahone as the only one watching them?

There are other little things, but I'm not gonna nitpick. Those were just the main things grating on me. But other than those things, it was great episode, with lots of great twists. I can't wait for Prison Break-24 combo to come back and kick the ass of everything else on TV.

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