24 Season 5 Discussion

I agree with you Jazz. This really doesn't make that much sense. They're gonna have to do a lot of explaining to make this make sense.

And on another note, does anyone else think that Logan would be too stupid to be a part of any kind of secret plot/conspiracy? That's the first thing I thought when they revealed him.

What I thought:

I thought it was going to be Secretary Heller, since I heard he was supposed to be coming back sometime this season. It would have made more since, anyway.

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Originally Posted by Mobius One

Spoiler:

But man, next episode is going to rock: Jack Bauer vs. the Army in a bank shootout.

Spoiler:

Jack Bauer is a one-man army. Why lie?

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DId anybody see this guy? I think it's kind of silly for people to make a small little cameo on this and actually expect to get noticed. I didn't notice John McCain when he was on a while back, and I certainly didn't notice this guy.

But if anyone did notice this guy, who did he play? I just want to know since it says he had a speaking role.

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That's great news about him being an executive producer now, FOR THREE MORE SEASONS! No more anticipation like there was at the end of season 4 about whether the show will come back or not. This way guarantees that I'll be watching new episodes of 24 up until I graduate from college. Hell yeah!

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by nazpyro

I went ahead and started a wiki page for 24. It contains some in-depth information and summaries about 24.

LOL.

What's the lesson for today: Don't leave a fucking tree stump right next to your goddamn fence. It defeats the purpose of the fence, and you'll most likely wind up dead.

Tonight's episode managed to explain a few things, but it still hasn't completely revealed Logan's intentions for participating in this conspiracy. Until it's completely revealed, I'm still gonna be a little skeptical about his connection to this whole thing.

Question: Why is crazy sexual harassment lady still there? Since they got rid of the majority of CTU, why keep her? Chloe's reason for staying is obvious, but they never explained why they kept her (not that I can remember, anyway).

Next Week:

Heller is gonna rock next week. Yay for confronting the President!

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Originally Posted by RacinReaver

I think sexual harassment lady came from DoD, not CTU.

Maybe, I'm not sure. I don't remember them bringing in anybody after the attack except people from Homeland Security, which I know she's not a part of. I thought she was someone who worked in another section of CTU and was brought up to the floor to replace Edgar.

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Originally Posted by RacinReaver

Whoops, I meant to say Homeland Security. Wasn't the guy she filed a report about from Homeland Security as well?

That guy (Miles, I believe) was from Homeland Security, but she definitely wasn't. Why else would she have been so surprised to see him?

I've been thinking about this all day (I've even considered downloading the episode to go back and check this), and I'm pretty sure she was from another section of CTU, so it still doesn't make sense that she's still there. I guess the writers just got so caught up in trying to make this plot for her (which they really haven't even touched on much, especially since Buchanan is gone now) that they forget to apply her to the rest of the show.

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Originally Posted by Enter User Name

If you watch a single 2 hour Action movie and every 15 minutes they do that same cliche(which is probably the equivalent to how many times it happens in a season of 24)

By this logic, that would be about eight times. Can you name eight moments in any season when this has happened?

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Originally Posted by Enter User Name

Honestly, I can't name 8 times in a single season off the top of my head. That's not the point though. If it only happens 7 times, does that make it okay? The point is, it happens way too much, period. 3 times in a season is too much, let alone 5,6,7,8....every season.

I know that wasn't point, as I already knew you couldn't actually answer that question. My point is that you are over exaggerating about how many times it actually happens per season. It probably doesn't even happen three times a season like you say. I think you're just getting so caught up on hating this cliche that you're thinking it happens more than it actually does.

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I was really surprised by the way Heller handled the whole situation. On the one hand, I know he's a 'play by the rules' type of guy, so him screwing over Jack is reasonble, but it still didn't seem like something he would do (you would think he'd treat the guy who saved his life with some fucking dignity). But, if he was gonna play by the rules, why try to blackmail Logan at all? It seems like he would be the type of person who would just go the attorney general with the tape, but instead he's made to look almost evil in the way he goes about getting rid of Logan. They really screwed up his character, and not for any good reason, either.

And I was praying that Jack would keep the tape, even though I knew he wouldn't. The whole way that scene was setup, with the Jack/Henderson angle and the Heller/Logan angle, practically gave the whole thing away. Had this episode been the second to last episode, it could have went either way, but it was still to early for both of them fall already.

Oh, and Homeland Security is a bunch of idiots. I mean, they were able to let Chloe to slip by them in such an easy manner.

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Originally Posted by neothe0ne

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I believe there's a theory around that the recorder Jack slid to Henderson was a different shape than the one he took out of the bank.

Why do I have a feeling that Logan is working with someone else still?

Spoiler:

On a commercial I saw earlier today, it looked like Logan was talking to another guy that wasn't Henderson over the phone. It was only on the screen for a couple of seconds, and the scene was a splitscreen, so I'm not entirely too sure.

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Originally Posted by AC1

Personally, I don't think they had enough time to do that.


-Jack & Wayne escape, bearing in mind that the martial law and the hunt for Jack is still in effect

-Jack meets Bill and tells him to take Wayne somewhere safe.

-Jack couldn't give the recording to Bill and Wayne because he was going to present it to Audrey, who in turn would reveal this to Daddy Day Care

-Jack hands Heller the recording after playing it to him.

-Heller pimpsmacks Jack and ties him up, giving the recording to Bauer Victim #2130

-Jack takes a while to escape.

-Henderson's chopper and TIME CRISIS GOONS show up just when Jack was about to high-tail outta there

-Henderson goes apeshit on Audrey while Jack has the recording, forcing him to give it up

-Chloe arrives at Bill's house to track down Jack


Had Bill known that Chloe was going to show up beforehand, everything would have went peachy. But he didn't.

Also, I like how "Where's Mike?" is becoming "Where's Curtis?" Can't have two lead black people not named Palmer on the show, eh?

I hope Aaron just left the phone there for security reasons or something. No way Nixon...I mean Logan could have known he was off.

Lastly, THAT WAS A LOT OF SPLIT-SCREENS at the end

There was all that time while Jack was tied up for Heller's people to make a copy (Jack was tied up around the ten minute mark, and he didn't escape until at least about the forty minute mark, leaving about a half hour to make a copy). I'm sure they didn't plan on Henderson coming though (or Jack escaping), and they probably thought they could take him if he did, so they figured they didn't need to make a copy.

And yeah, I noticed all thos screens at the end. I'm pretty sure that was a first.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Well, it could be argued that he was most likely referring to Logan's involvement when he mentioned the whole Pandora's box thing. If he had admitted that back then when he first said that, it probably would have been an "OMG WTF!?" moment, but now it just seems like he was overstating it when he mentioned all that.

Personally though, I'm still hoping that there is something bigger, something that will create an "OMG WTF!?" moment, but considering how late in the season it is, it would be hard for them to really establish another major baddie and still give them a good plot. Even using an existing character, it would be hard to do without making the plot all nonsensical and stuff.

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Hey guys, we're special, as Fox it letting us help choose DVD covers! Just take the survey here.

I chose the first one, because it uses the logo that matches all the other seasons, and it's all over black, which makes it somewhat different than the other seasons. I didn't like the two that didn't use the circle logo, because they didn't really match the other DVD sets, and I didn't choose the other two because the color schemes were a little too close to the season 4 set.

The choice was a little bit harder in whether or not I wanted thinpaks or not. On the one hand, I want it to match the other sets, but on the other, I like the thinpak format better overall. Ultimately I chose to keep it the same, just so all the seasons could be uniform (except season 1, which will always be smaller).

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Originally Posted by AC1

I voted digipacks for continuity purposes. They should use the thinpacks for Season 6 on up, as 24 isn't the same with all the people Jack knows or love dead or gone. So everything, including the packaging, should change with the show starting next season.

I'd rather have them keep it the same throughout the whole series. But if they were dead set on changing the packaging, I'd rather have them start with this season, so that (using Kiefer Sutherland's new three year contract as a basis) half the series (season 1-4) used digipaks, and the other half (seasons 5-8) uses thinpaks.

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Okay, I know Heller wasn't at his best last week, but his death was pretty stupid. I mean, he didn't even try to evade them or anything. The three minutes weren't up yet, so he could have done something to try and escape them.

Why is it that once again everything comes down to an audio recording?

'Sup Paul McCrane.

Instead of making Chloe run, why not just tell the tac team to step down? I'm glad to see Karen Hayes is realizing the truth, but she's doing it in a stupid way.

'Sup Curtis.

I fucking Lol'd when Audrey was all like "KILL HIM JACK!". I don't know, but the way she said it was extremely funny.

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Originally Posted by AC1

Who was that person Logan talking to, and his people? Are they part of the Sentox placement or the oil plans or what? Or was that even revealed yet? I wasn't paying attention...

They never really said it, but I'm guessing that's the 'ultimate bad guy' for this season (like Max, Saunders, and Marwan from the other seasons). I really don't care who he is though (I believe his name was Graham, though), I'm just glad to see Paul McCrane on here.

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I've never seen Robocop, so I'll always just remember McCrane as Dr. Romano from ER, who got his arm chopped off...by a helicopter. He later died...by a helicopter. Something better happen to him on 24...involving a helicopter.

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Originally Posted by AC1

oop...I was under the impression that everyone had seen it. It IS 20 years old

The Scene: (not for the squeamish/non-desensitized)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzwWkqTIDrA

Nah, for the most part, I haven't seen that many older movies. In fact, compared to most people, I probably haven't seen that many movies at all (I only go to the movies twice a year at the most, and I only own 7 movies on DVD). TV is where it's at for me!

But anyway, yeah, that scene was pretty cool. However, I still believe helicopter death tops it. That's just a crappy way to die, especially after you've already been attacked by a helicopter once.

Originally Posted by Talbain

Heller must live to be President next season, though I doubt it due to his involvement with other series. (Curses!)

That didn't stop him from being on this season. You know, since no one watched Crumbs.

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After all that stuff Jack did in this episode, Chloe still wound up being the best part. I fucking lol'd to no end after she tasered that guy.

Overall though, this was a pretty good episode, especially compared to the last few couple of episodes.

And what's up with Logan? For someone who's supposed to be a part of a conspiracy (and, you know, the President of the United States), he really isn't in control of anything. It seemed like Henderson was in control before he got arrested, and now it seems like Paul McCrane (Graham) is. You would think he would try to make sure he was in control before joining a conspiracy of this magnitude, but alas...

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by nazpyro

The last 2 episodes are on my graduation day...my party better end early.

I would seriously miss my graduation to watch 24. Seriously.

Spoiler:

Okay, maybe not, but I would still record it and watch it as soon as I could.

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I have no gif, but I just want to tell you that he didn't punch the guy, he elbowed him. You know, because he'e too cool to use his hands.

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Originally Posted by Lizardcommando

I don't see why Logan doesn't just let the plane land and have his people capture Bauer.

Because too many people already know that Jack has something, so if he were to get captured and nothing was said about him, it would cream cover-up. However, if the plane mysteriously gets shot down, all those people just look crazy. That's how I see it, anyway.

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Why should he keep listening to that four-eyed baldy asshole (Not Mike Novick, btw)?

Because he's Paul McCrane. That alone is reason enough.

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Well, this guy also had Henderson under his control as well, so he must have some kind of power. It probably won't be revealed though until the third to last or second to last episode.

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Yay! We have some solid info on the movie now:

Originally Posted by TVGuide.com Entertainment News

24 Movie: Big Ben Is Ticking....

In an interview airing tonight on BBC One's Friday Night with Jonathan Ross, Kiefer Sutherland reveals that the long-discussed feature-film version of Fox's 24 will be set across the pond. "We'll shoot the film here," the actor says on the London-based talk show. "We're really excited about it." Sutherland divulges no further details as to a start date or storyline, but I've got Chloe covertly rerouting a node into a socket for me, so I'll keep you posted.

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It's not much, but at least it's something. Sup Jack Bauer owning British people.

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