Why do some people regard nintendo as "kiddy"

I'd say 70% of people who play games (a lot of games; gamers, in other words) have psychological problems regarding their self-confidence, personal image, etc. Whether or not they want to admit it, they're often ugly and geeky and a far way away from sexually desirable. Freudian problems.

So they want to perceive themselves as cool, sexually appealing, the winner. And, quite frankly, being Master Chief or Cloud or Solid Snake seems a whole lot cooler than being a short, chubby Italian who likes jumping.

I'd attribute this especially to the success of RPGs, dating back to D&D (God how I hated hearing about someone's level blah blah character who could do blah blah). And this is not some overt thing, this stems from really deeply rooted psychological perceptions of one's self. I doubt anyone who does this would admit it, or very likely even realize that they're doing it.

That's not why Nintendo is considered kiddie. It's just why so many people insist on saying it so damn often.

Personally, I wouldn't say Nintendo is kiddie. Shows like Barney, the Teletubbies, and whatever the hell kids watch nowadays, that's kiddie. It's something that a child can watch but an adult cannot bear to, because it's made exclusively for children.
Nintendo is more similar to Disney, dinosaurs, Alice in Wonderland, something along those lines, in the sense that they're equally appreciable by all.

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"Comparing Nintendo to Sega is like comparing Bush to Kennedy. In this case, Bush would be Nintendo."

How so? In the sense that Kennedy is dead and Bush isn't?

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"Instead, you have to use "friend codes," and you can't choose a game to enter (no lobby system)... it's FREE."

You had a typo there, sir.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

"Just because it's free doesn't mean they can't do it.
AND Just because it's free doesn't mean we can't complain about it."

Alright. I don't really care, because I loath playing games online. It's like the internet came and ruined a perfectly good game.

I could only conceive of using online for one reason: playing Revolution and DS games with my friends (pietriots and real friends) who own the games.

So far, no DS games with online interest me, so I haven't played them. And the PSP just plain doesn't interest me. But the friend code idea doesn't bother me because I would vastly prefer playing alone to playing with some god-forsaken online gamers.

Now that's just me, and I hope Nintendo develops their online system (especially for Rev) for all those unfortunate souls who seem to enjoy online gaming (your life is worth more than that, seriously).
All that said, I was joking about the typo thing.

Edit: "You still need to buy Metroid Prime Hunters or Mario Kart DS or Animal Crossing DS, ALL of which are also handheld spin-offs of their main series."

I've never played AC: WW, but MP:H is a wholly original game, as original as Syphon Filter: PSP Rocks or whatever the subtitle is, and Mario Kart DS (while it does reuse some tracks for nostalgic purposes) has enough original content to make up a new game, and then some.

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Uh oh, Deg, watch out. You might lose respect on the internet.

"It's free and supposedly good online system does not help the fact that it is still the poor man's Splinter Cell, which is the poor man's Metal Gear."

And I don't even like Metal Gear.


I'd also like to point out that Pikmin features ranks of innocent creatures being devoured by fearsome beasts, as well as undertones indicating the positive qualities tyrrany.

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This, my friends, is what's known as "backpedaling" in an argument.
"Oh, well online games suck anyhow, I was joking when I said the first thing, etc..."

I never said Mario Kart DS or MP:H were good, you may note. I've never played the full version of MP:H, only the demo, and I've never played Mario Kart DS online. I was merely affronted by the implication (and it was ever so present, deny it or not) that Syphon Filter was somehow more original than those games.
You called Syphon Filter original and the Nintendo games spin-offs. The implication was there.

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"Geez, saying a cartoony act of violence is "innocent creatures being devoured by fearsome beasts" is hilarious."

Thanks. Because, y'know, that was a joke.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

An excuse? Do you understand the concept of humor? How could tyrannical undertones in Pikmin be taken seriously?
I don't think you get it. I wasn't making an original argument. I consider Pikmin a game that's child-friendly. Not kiddy, because I'm not a kid and I enjoy it.

I've made two claims. Everything else was a joke, and obvious jokes at that.
Those claims are:
1. I don't like online gaming, and will only use it to play with friends.
2. Mario Kart DS and MP:H are original games, at least as original as Syphon Filter: PSP Rocks.

I'm not sure if you're addressing me or Deg in the latter part of that last post, because I've never played Syphon Filter (any of them), and I never claimed to. So I wouldn't know.

I'm not even sure what claims you're talking about. I'd like you to lay out your argument clearly so I know what these claims are that you're making up.
Also, if it helps, I can go back through the thread and put by every joke I made.

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This debate is so all over the place. Why the hell are we discussing Syphon Filter anyway? It has nothing to do with Nintendo being kiddy.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Even though I kidded about Pikmin earlier, I'd argue that Pikmin really is more violent than Madden, or at least as violent. I'd also say that Pikmin is a relatively difficult game, especially for a child, and to do well (especially for, say, challenge mode in Pikmin 2) requires pretty advanced thinking skills.

I think children can enjoy it, but it's not exclusively for children. Honestly, I think kiddy can only be defined as something children alone find entertaining.

I cannot think of a single Nintendo game that fits that description.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

This whole thing went from bad to good to worse.

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"After all, this thread was going good, but yeah."

I like how you say that as though it were Berto's fault, and not a completely mutual effort from both of you to fuck it up.
I was actually just asked to recommend a Gamecube game for children recently (check out the Gamecube forum on PGC) and had a difficult time thinking of any that really weren't too advanced. Kirby Air Ride was the only satisfactory answer.
I attribute that more to games being too complex today, though.

Instead of closing this thread, how about Elixir and Berto just stop swinging trashbags at each other? Then maybe we could have a conversation with some substance.

Let me start out by arguing thus:
GTA is much more simplistic game, on a maturity level, than Pikmin or even Super Mario Sunshine. It consists of running around and randomly shooting people (and some shitty missions, but those are relatively simple as well). It's really juvenile.

On the other hand, the content of GTA is obviously more graphic than Pikmin or Super Mario Sunshine.
So, what defines a mature game? Graphic content, or a mature game design?

Movies are rated R if they have more graphic content, but the complexity of the story and the issues involved tend to be on a more adult level as well (not always, but such is often the case). Whereas with games, we don't have this distinction. I think that makes things more difficult.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Well, I tried.

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