Superman Returns

The reviews are quite positive so far. 88% on RottenTomatoes. Have to wait for Ebert's review, but i'm sure he will give it a thumbs up.

I can't wait for Wednesday.

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Jam it back in, in the dark.

I really dislike watching movies at night. Maybe its just me, but I much prefer going to movies in the morning to avoid large crowds and get the cheapest prices.

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Originally Posted by ziggythecat

Better than Batman Begins by a long shot.

That is highly doubtful. Since Batman is my favorite superhero I doubt Superman will be able to take him down. Seriously, Begins is the best superhero movie ever. Spider-Man 2 is a close second.

I will be seeing Returns in a few hours here.

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Originally Posted by LeHah

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I don't what that means.

Anyway, Ebert gave Returns two stars. Said it's characters were badly miscast and the action scenes were lackluster. He also said there was a lack of logic in the characters actions.

Well, I will see for myself in a bit.

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I have never seen that movie. Is it worse than this? Btw, I haven't seen this one either.


I was speaking idiomatically.

Well, it was a good movie. Not as great as Batman Begins, or Spider-Man 2 but as a comic book movie it is amoung the cream of the crop.

Cons
-Cheese; lots and lots of cheese, romantic fluff, bad dialogue, stupid plot and some lame characters
-Only one good action scene; the airplane scene is the only action scene that excited me
-No real point or purpose
- lame ending

Pros
-Excellent opening
-Excellent score
-Excellent visuals; no one has ever flown like this before
-One well done and exciting action scene

The problem with Superman is that he has no flaws. You never worry about him not completing his tasks. He does what he does and he is unstoppable. If they make another one, they really need some villian to kick his ass a little; maybe Bizarro.


I would have much preferred the kid not be Supermans. The story would have worked a bit better that way. Yeah, I'm nitpicking but I really hate romantic garbage in movies like this.

Overall, I agree with everything said in Ebert's review.

7.5 out of 10 (Very Good)

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Originally Posted by Simo

Cheers for the unmarked spoiler by the way.

It's common knowledge that the kid was Supermans. Go read Ebert's review he spells it out quite clearly. I thought it would have worked better if he wasn't. A lot of cheese would have been taken out that way.

"What if they don't succeed and save them in time?" I was hoping that he actually would fail to save them. It would have been a better movie that way.

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Originally Posted by gaming

What is the music that is playing at the end of the superman june trailer...?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5p-rB7htxs&search=Superman%20Returns%20new%20trailer

I just listened to the soundtrack again and I did not here that piece of music. There is a piece that I like a lot that was played throughout the teaser trailer and that is not on the soundtrack either.

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Originally Posted by SpaceOddity

Well, the music in the first teaser trailer is from the original Superman soundtrack - "The Planet Krypton." I absolutely love that theme.

Thanks a lot man. I was wondering where that was at.

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Originally Posted by Karasu

There are too many jaded people in this forum. I don't get why all of you can't just sit down and just ENJOY the film without having to become psuedo-ebert and roepers.


I don't follow Superman, not his comics, not his films, not really anything of his. I am more of a Batman guy personally, however this film makes me realize why so many people love Superman and think he is the greatest Superhero. It's because he is THE superhero. He is the perfect hero for a world that needs him, and he can do just about anything, yet through all he can do...he doesn't ask for anything in return, and he has accepted the responsibility of being Earth's 'Savior' and is humble about it. A normal person would crack under something like that, but then again..he's not a normal person at all, heh.


I'm sure there are plot holes from the previous installments of the Superman movies, but hey...who cares? Honestly? Do you NEED it to be absolutely precise? The movie got the job done, it brought Superman back, hence the title of the freakin' movie. I mean, is anyone pissed that this movie doesn't take place circa 1980s, because that's when the films before it came out, and I doubt back then they had flat panel TVs and Boeing 777s. Just enjoy the film, and stop being so critical with it. Me personally, seeing the beginning and hearing the classic Superman theme and seeing him in action...it was sublime, and it was a total escape from the world around me.


Now that being said, I personally thought the acting was cool, The actor who was Superman did it well, and he definitely played the dorky Clark Kent we all do know. Superman the character wasn't bad at all, and definitely portrayed the humble but heroic and self-sacrificing Superman that is known throughout the world. Every other character, even Lex Luthor was decent and guys...it's a superhero film, not a generic dramatic academy award film...since when are superhero films supposed to be on that level? Thanks, didn't think so.


The scenery and music was just epic and IMO, incredible. I hate overdone CG too, but hey...it goes hand in hand with superhero films, so i've come to accept it. And besides, this CG was done beautifully:

Spoiler:

Seeing Superman floating and orbiting earth waiting for danger was just beautiful and so powerful to look at. It shows he is ready to save anyone who needs even the slightest bit of help from danger. He is responsible to save and keep this world from harm. That scene to me showed it. And also, the scene with him going up into the clouds after being saved by Lois, was just so....epic looking. Him floating there with his eyes closed gathering his energy for what he must do to save this planet. Amazing.

Overall, this was just a good, clean, fun film. IMO, much much better than X3. It's funny too....the marvel movies are dropping in quality, while the DC movies such as Batman and Superman are so much better in quality. Heh. If they make a sequel to this, i'd look foward to it.



[and what I said wasn't to stir up some e-drama, so spare me it, because i'm apathetic to an internet argument in this place. Don't like what I said, feel free to debate it with me, not argue.]

I did enjoy the film for what it was. When I saw it I had expectations. They weren't met by the film. To me Superman Returns is just the start of a new franchise that failed to live up to its potential. For that it is a lot like the the original Spider-Man and X-Men films. Where the sequels were infinitely better than the first. This is what I see happening with Superman.

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Originally Posted by acid

It is possibly the best comic book movie yet. Batman Begins in a close second, and Spider-Man (1) in third. This will not be the last time that I see it before it leaves the theater.

This comment contains an infinite amount of lies.

Batman Begins is the best super hero movie by far. This movie brought Batman back from the brink of destruction by telling a story that hadn't been told before. Superman Returns doesn't even come close to being better than it. Even if you are a big fan of Supes you have to see the movie for what it is. It was full of cheese, bad dialougue, bad acting, romantic fluff, and repetative and weak action scenes. I still see potential in the franchise though. Like I said before I consider it to be like the original X-Men movie or the original Spider-Man movie. The sequels to those where far better than the original and I see the same thing happening for Superman.

For reasons I have already mentioned Spider-Man shouldn't even be on the list unless it's Spider-Man 2. When you say best comic book movie and not best super hero movie you forget to mention Sin City which was incredible.

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Originally Posted by acid

I'm 100 times the Batman fan as I am the Superman fan. Batman is my guy. Superman doesn't even rank in my top 5. However as much as I loved Begins (and that was ALOT), I think I may have liked Superman more.

Spider-Man was a huge disappointment. Yeah it had a couple of good scenes, but overall it was just "meh". It felt like I had already seen it. The train fight was immensly cool, which they then managed to fuck up with the dumbest sequence I've ever seen. Spider-Jesus and the "Don't worry Spider-Man! We won't tell anybody!"

Don't talk about cheesy acting and dialouge and then bring up the first X-Men. Was it great, oh god yes, but it too had it's moments. Toad's and lightening, people.

I really want to know what action scenes were weak. Like seriously, because I sure as shit don't know.

And yes, you're right. I should have said best superhero movie to narrow it down. Although I don't agree that Sin City was better, it was a great movie.

Simply put, Superman was so great because I haven't had that much fun at a movie in years. And really, that's exactly what comics are supposed to be.

Spoiler:

This is kind of out of place, but I forgot to mention it in my first post. One thing that I absolutely adored was how they actually acknowledged the existence of other characters. I mean, they made no mention of Daredevil or the Fantastic Four or the X-Men (or the other 60% of Marvel Universe that is based out of New York) in the Spidey movies. It doesn't have to take much. Maybe just a TV in the background talking about "Dr.Richards" or the Statue of Liberty incident. Maybe a newspaper with the Hulk's latest rampage on it. It's little details like this that help immerse the audience in not only this movie, but the entire Universe in which it's set. It connects everything. When the news report was listing off the places he had been sighted and mentioned "Gotham", I nearly jumped out of my seat. Perry White also made a quick mention to "killer clowns" which, atleast to me, only made me think of a certain Batman villian.

I don't see the end of the train scene in Spider-Man 2 as being all that different from the hospital scene at the end of Superman Returns. Completely unneeded and stupid.

You are correct the first X-Men movie was a weak film. It is not one of my favorite super hero movies, but X-Men 2 is.

The only well done action scene was the first airplane scene with the space shuttle. Everything else was just a rehash of things I have seen before. Such as, super breath, laser eyes, super strength. I was hoping these things would be more exciting and innovative.

My real problem with the movie is that Superman doesn't have any real villian to fight with. Lex just doesn't do it and his moronic schemes are ridiculous. Like I mentioned before, Bizarro would have been perfect for some awesome action scenes. That way there would be someone on equal level with Superman.

The next Superman will undoubtable be better than Returns as nearly all sequels are better nowadays.

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Originally Posted by Wojo

Wait hold on. All sequels are better nowadays?

Note the "nearly" in my sentence. I'm only basing it on the fact that X-Men 2 was better than 1 and the same for Spider-Man.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Interrobang

What story is that, again?

This isn't a Batman thread, but to answer your question Begins told the origin story. The origin of Batman wasn't told in any of the previous Batman films. We had glimpses but nothing definitive or with any substance. Begins was a great film because it made the whole man in a mask premise believable and wasn't just about flashy effects and big explosions. It actually had a working plot and convincing characters that emoted heart.

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Originally Posted by Hantei

BTW, wasn't the Spider-man 3 teaser supposed to be shown during the previews for Superman Returns?

It played before my viewing. Some can argue this trailer was better than the movie that came after.

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