islam, the religion of love...

This is a Saudi textbook. (After the intolerance was removed.) - washingtonpost.com

And some people claim that Western imperialism is the cause...

If one reads the Kuran carefully, one will notice that the book cleary calls for the elimination of non muslims. So does the Bible for Jews and Christians, and it's true. However, both the folllowers of these religions - for the most part - have put aside their book and used reason.

With their access to modern weapons, Islam truly is a scary religion.

Or is it just a handful of extremists?

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Originally Posted by Skexis

Read: selectively; ultraconservatively.
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really? What other senses can we make out of ''a man lying with a man as with a woman is an abomination; they shoudl be killed''? and the several passages calling for the utter massacre of people not believing in the right god? and the ones calling for the women to be quiet and submit to their husbands? and, in the kuran, the ones calling for a hloy war against infidels?

And, although i know not MOST muslims are likely to blow themselves up, there are still far too many people willing to kill in the name of god.

Finally, if what i read is true, most terrorists and suicide bombers are fairly educated; dfoesn't bin-laden have an engineering degree?

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Of course there are times when people wage war to each other for the sake of their religion

from time to time? Europe was ravaged by wars mainly because of religion (Spain against the muslims, france agains the protestants, england vs france, iraq vs iran, india vs pakistan). Religion is probably the single most "useful" purpose to wage a war. UNless people get over with it and realize that, we are doomed. Just imagine if the crusaders had had the A-bomb...

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I wouldn't bet my life on your claim. The bible, too, calls for the massacre of infidels. Had the pope of the time have it, he would have gladly use it and say, ''I have cleared the Earth from infidels''

This is why controlling iran (and surrounding countries) is important. THEY don't have the rule of law, they have the sharia (law from the kuran). And because such a law also calls for the extinction of infidels, we must be very careful.

Of course, imposing democracy like it is done in iraq is no solution. Prosperity brings democracy, not the other way around

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Originally Posted by Bradylama

Sharia is law. While Sharia may be objectionable to Western values it is a code of law, and countries like Iran and even areas of Somalia that were controlled by the Islamic Courts Union had rule of law.

Ok, let me rephrase: our culture is based on the rule of law which has evolved over the years; too many islamic countries are based on the sharia, a law writtent by men in a time when people believed the earth was flat. SUch important things as law codes, when they don't evolve, keep barbaric "traditions" like stoning adulteress (??) or RAPED women. And they teach that in schools

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You're dumb.

in other words, you have no arguments left so you insult me

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The Crusades had a significant undercurrent of bigotry, yes, but they were primarily about real estate.

a part of it for sure, but when a pope is said to have said

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God has conferred upon you above all nations great glory in arms. Accordingly undertake this journey for the remission of your sins, with the assurance of the imperishable glory of the Kingdom of Heaven."

then religion is the primary motive. LEt's just hope that muslims don't do the same. After all, they could reclaim spain...

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Originally Posted by Shin

Just because something is different to your experiences doesn't mean it's automatically bad or wrong and you shouldn't look at stuff in such black and white terms.

I don't. I admit that islam is probably the must « humbling » religion there is, where the richest and the poorest really are on the same level (fasting, praying)

However, like other religions (including christianity), a big part of it is based on primitive beliefs that, among others, women are inferior. Just look at the recent move of the anglican church: there could be a schism because women are now allowed in higher positions. Even the pope perpetuated the mysogynist tradition of the church by saying that this was against the apostolic tradition

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?