Battlestar Galactica New Series

Originally Posted by LeHah

In depth my Irish ass. Name one thing in this show thats never been covered in another show.

You're just fucking stupid is all.

May I ask exactly how much BSG you've seen so far? (Seems like quite a load of it as you mentioned the abortion talk going on late in season 2).

I thought Season 1, including the miniseries, was excellent television. But as season 2 started to go off track more, and no season 1 questions were ever answered, I now find myself missing the Star Trek series (productions of new eps)...

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by LeHah

And you're a nigger. Don't blame me for being racist if your shitty, stupid God made me racist and you black. It wasn't my decision!

sarcasm

I'm sure its sarcasm. (<-- sarcasm)

You just don't understand the show. Where else are you going to find a nuked planet with minimal survivors running for their lives? And how the characters act is a lot more consistent with what we'd see in real life compared to how characters act in Star Trek shows. Not everyone should just be happy-go-lucky all the time. Plenty of characters are conflicted.

You go back to your comfortable TNG for the rest of your life, then, I don't give a shit.

(TNG still rules in any case, but at least I watch other shows).

There's nowhere I can't reach.

You evidentally have a lot of anger problems. I am probably much older than you too [you called me a teen without even seeing my profile].
I'm not better anyone or think better of myself just because I watch BSG. I was simply trying to reply to your points by pointing out that conflicted characters are interesting and the plot is interesting. And ive never heard of those shows you just mentioned.

"Flaming is the act of posting messages that are deliberately hostile and insulting, usually in the social context of a discussion board."

I'm replying to points about the main subject. You are just resorting to attacks.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Robo Jesus

Borg4258764, shut up. Not everything has a deep psychologic hidden meaning about how your mother didn't let you pet the cat as a child. Sometimes people hate things because they're stupid, pretentious, and annoying. Which pretty much sums up my personal feelings about you as a person pretty well.

Who are you?

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Lord Styphon

I'm guessing he's yet another person who's tired of your whining.

So I join the thread by saying that season 1 is great, get flamed & attacked for that opinion, and point out the obvious that I'm being flamed. It wasn't whining but it was constructive criticism that people need to lighten up because it is just a TV show. I will reply to LeHah's points in a moment.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by LeHah

1. You don't have anything intelligent to say about the Judeochristian bullshit symbolism that BSG vomits out like a college student on spring break.

2. *"These things alone are not entirely bad, but Battlestar Galactica has also somehow managed to convince masses of fandom that incredibly generic things it does are somehow brilliant."

3. *"it's a very very generic drama that's set in space - it would still have had no clever commentary whatsoever."

4. *"Think about it -- when we were kids, why did we get into science fiction? Because there were shows like ST:TNG or movies like Star Wars that we could enjoy on our level while our parents loved them on another. Now we've grown up, we're in charge and what do we want? Sex, violence and language thrown in our face as quickly as possible to remind us we're *adults* now!"

5. *"Battlestar Galactica deals with 'issues' (nay: the human condition! that sound intellectual in its vaugness!) in excatly the same manner as does an afternoon soap opera or an hour of 90210. The difference is that 90210 is lots of easy fun and you don't have to deal with insufferable 90210 fans insisting that the show is carefully crafting a brilliant symbol with its treatment of Dylan's father issues. Robots having sex, robots having abortions, robots arguing about religion are not clever issues and the discussion adds nothing to any of these topics - they're the same cheap, easy, common issues that every sagging drama in the universe brings out for sweeps. But here they're *in space*, so they're brilliant and subtle and clever!"

6. *"None of what you've just said has anything to do with Battlestar Galactica. You're an angry teenager wailing out a personal attack because I dared make fun of your... television show? What the hell? Here, people, here is what is wrong with your fandom!"

1. Point 1, agreed. There is plenty of Judeochristian type crap and I am not at all a religious person. But I watch the show for different reasons. I could care less if they are religious people and a lot of symbols in the show are religious. It's not real life. It's a show.

2. Which generic things? Examples?

3. Commentary from whom? Explain this point.

4. BSG isn't about sex or having sex. The show also is not about sex robots for the purpose of doing such a thing. Who cares if there have been some minimal "sex" scenes. Sex is apart of real life, as it is for people in the show.
What is wrong with this "violence" thing you speak of? Every Sci Fi is violent in some fashion. What parts in what eps are violent but unnecessarily so?

5. The issues on BSG are done differently than real life because there are conscious robots in the show. If you didn't like the idea of thinking robots from the beginning why in the HELL would you watch any episodes? I hate when people are hypocrits and who hate the entire concept but have still seen a good share (or all) of the show. I mean, it is clear you've seen a nice share of it because you mentioned the abortion thing, and other aspects. When I tried out "LOST" and realized I hated it, I deleted it immediately and will never watch it again. Your curiosity is getting the better of you and there is some part of you that likes something in it.
I, for one, don't care about the issues as much as the main plot of trying to look for Earth. That's why season 2 has been so weak for me, and I have been missing the Trek series as of late. I thought season 1 was perfect, and on track. So I don't like the show as much as you think I do.

6. It's not "my" TV show. I like many more better. As I said, season 2 has been pretty weak to me. Honestly, how did you like season 1? Season 2?

Im really hoping for a real reply but expect "cock sucker, queer, and fag" instead, as your demeanor tells me that is more likely to happen.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I actually agree with you, LeHah, more than you think I do.
As I said, I like the show a whole lot more when they aren't dealing with issues that I don't really care about as much. In fact, I'm starting to get irritated more and more that they aren't giving the viewers answers to questions. Why does Baltar see that woman in his head? Why do the Cylons want all Humans dead in the first place? Stuff like this is what I care about most, and since stuff like this isn't being answered, I am starting to miss new things Trek.

But I thought season 1 was exemplary because in the first episode they had to run the hell away for their lives, next they had to find water (which directly related to the survival aspect of the show), next Starbuck needs to train new pilots (which directly relates to the survival aspect of the show), next they are trying to find possible Cylons on the ship (reminds me of DS9's changeling plots), next Starbuck is interrogating a Cylon, next they have a fuel shortage, and finally it is government set-up time and a possible way to find Earth.

If you want to argue with me about season 1, which aspects (and which episode or scene) did you dislike? Please, no "Because of the sex robots" crap. You can both have pretty women acting in a show, with minimal sex scenes, and at the very same time some of the best plotlines ever. Season 1 succeeded in that. [I could care less about seeing this aspect in BSG, but I hated seeing it in Enterprise because that is not what the Trek universe should be about].

Finally, do you watch BSG to be entertained, or do you watch it so you can come here and complain at how bad it is (or talk to anyone at anytime at how bad it is)? (You can admit the latter if you want, it is your life and you can watch TV however you want).

FELIPE NO

Some of these messages need spoiler tags.

Spoiler:

I called it from the beginning. I knew that Baltar would win... I knew his decision to colonize would eventually have the Cylons find the planet and I knew the nuke would go off. Strange that the show is a year after now...

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?