islam, the religion of love...

Originally Posted by Pangalin

The point of the crusades, by and large, was to return what were seen as important cities to Christian control.

Actually, the first crusade was way more "honest" than what most people want to make it look like. Jerusalem had been conquered by Saracens a while ago already. It was only when the Turks kicked the Saracens' out of it and started killing the Christian pilgrims (that the Saracens were accepting) and destroying the Christian places in the city that the Christian world reacted so strongly.

This also gives an example of Islam laws being enforced differently, btw.

After the first crusade, things become way more complicated and become mixed with geopolitical interests, but it's never that simple either.

As for the interpretation of Jesus' message concerning the Old Testament laws, it's not like you guys will come to an agreement on something that is like one of the hottest theological controversy ever ~

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

The one thing you've made abundantly clear through your idiotic ranting thus far is that you've never actually studied either faith.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

Except that child bride's were fully acceptable at the time, and Mary Magdalene--who was more than likely married to Jesus--was an underage prostitute by our standards. Jesus also whipped people in a temple, but hey. Dude was all hugs and flowers, right?

reading Da Vinci Code =/= studying a faith ~

Originally Posted by Pangalin

This is ridiculous. Do you know why Islam-dominated areas see significantly more religious violence than Christianity-dominated areas? Would you like to know?

Take some time to compare the average standard of living in these areas relative to each other. You might discover something interesting about the sort of things that make a man desperate enough to explode himself.

It can also be taken the other way around to explain the current Islamic expansion in Africa to the detriment of Christianity and the pretty much huge lack of wealthy Islamic countries compared to the Christian ones, though.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Denicalis

A) I couldn't make it through twenty pages of Dan Brown without dry heaving.

B) I did read Holy Blood Holy Grail, and it was obviously bullshit.

C) What I'm stating isn't some modern fiction, it's the gnostics. It's a fact accepted by many scholars, and it's even thought she may be the author of the fourth gospel. Pagels and Brown ran with it, and it's certainly a valid opinion supported by facts and textual clues if you understand the culture at the time of Jesus. Is it true? Who knows. But it's as plausible as anything else in there.

You're right, reading the Da Vinci code doesn't equal studying a faith. But you know what does? Years of studying a faith.

Heh, I dunno. Maybe if you stopped sounding like a 17 years old spitting all the common anti religious cliches as facts people would stop assuming you're full of shit ?

lol @ all the personal stuff.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

I think this has more to do with anti-imperialist knee-jerk Western opposition than desperation.

Probably a mix of both in some places? I have no idea, sincerely. Was just throwing the idea around.

The idea that Christianity = western world isn't obvious in many places of Africa that were Christened way before Europe was, too.

Also, American Evangelists have a lot of success in large parts of Africa as well. They're pretty scary in a different way, though.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

Anti-Religion? So, I'm being anti-religion by using religious history and religious scholars as a basis for an argument stating one religion isn't inherently worse than another?

Or maybe you mean I'm anti-religion because I'm not saying Islam is inherently worse than Christianity? Or maybe what you mean is you got caught with your pants down because you don't know any actual religious history beyond the DaVinci Code and your snide remark bit you in the ass.

Or maybe what you mean is that stating that Christianity isn't a doctrine of love and acceptance is anti-religion? Or maybe what you mean is that you don't actually comprehend any of the discussion at hand, but you want people to think you do. Because you're not doing a very good job of that, either. You clearly haven't done anything but briskly scan the discussion at hand and make a few backhanded comments like a bitch.

Or maybe it was anti-religion because I said prophets aren't the basis of a faith, but merely the conveyance of a message? But you're right. I've been going up and down this thread talking about how we should throw all catholics in prison, all muslims are terrorists and we should murder the jews to free us of the Zionist agenda. Get fucked, cunt. Sorry your big return was ruined by the fact you apparently can't read.

Also, trying not to laugh out loud at your comment about asserting the gnostics are 17 year old anti-religious bullshit. As if any biblical text is a more valid historical document than another.

Or maybe I just mean what I already stated. I don't care how many years of study you've taken. If you're going to sound like an oversimplifying retard, I'm going to call you one.

You know, it's just like your pope = Hitler's buddy tirade. You tell me how many years of study it takes to be that dumbfully wrong.

Keep it up with the trying to turn this into a personal issue, though. That's all you're really good for. :3

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by a lurker

It absolutely is, for the people telling desperate teenagers to blow themselves up. The message holds because the places where suicide bombings occur are much shittier than your house.

Or did you think kamikaze pilots just emerged from the masses, planes and all, and decided that moon-heaven would be better than losing to the roundeye?

Actually, they did. The first kamikaze unit ever was even composed of elite students. When appliances became open to anyone who'd volunteer, people from all backgrounds joined and they even had to refuse people. Japan always had a pretty unique tradition towards things like suicide and abnegation.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by a lurker

You're not disagreeing with me re: suicide attacks coming out of a truly shitty situation. That Japan has a massive fetish for martyrdom doesn't mean they weren't in Circumstances at the time, as you rarely see Japanese businessmen blowing themselves up in the lobbies of their employers' competition.

Oh yeah, desperation sure is a common factor to a certain extent. However, I still think Islamic suicide bombing and Japanese kamikaze concepts aren't that comparable, as one takes advantage of an already established state of strong despair to influence confused individuals by using the ugliest face of a religion, while the other is the symptom of a perfectly culturally accepted concept pushed to the extreme.

Of course, we could be both wrong, since there have been very well educated Islamic suicide bombers examples, especially for 9/11. =/

Finally, one is an act of terrorism, while the other is an act of war. Terrorism is often perceived as a justified act of war from the perpetrators point of view, though. ~_~

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Denicalis

The only thing I've ever said about the Pope in any seriousness is that he looks like Sidious and was in the Hitler Youth. After which I quickly pointed out you sort of had to be if you grew up in Germany in that era.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

Your God is the basis for the Catholic religion, which was fine with Nazi Germany and the slave trade.

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Get fucked, dipshit. You're still useless. No one bought your pissy little backhanded faux-pacifism bullshit three years ago, and it's even more laughable now that you've been outed as a reactionary asshole. Lose the Minion impression, it isn't cute.

Heh, so full of hate. Surely your life must be as fulfilling as you make it sound for you to always react so pathologically.

See ? That was personal.

I'm afraid I'm not pop00lar enough anymore to get a "let's be friends" pm this time, though.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Denicalis

Except what I said there wasn't tying the current pope to nazis, but rather commenting on their silence during World War II and their declining to comment on the slave trade.

No, you just did what you do the most: throwing horribly distorted punchlines as facts. You don't give a fuck about debating. It's all about knocking your opponents down with whatever fits you. Oh yeah, you're truly a brilliant scholar.

Let's not even get into your motivations. It could become one of those rare occurrences where me and Freud actually agree.

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And see, the reason you didn't get a PM trying to work out this little spat is because a few years ago, you were a rational person I just disagreed with. But you've declined horridly since then, and aren't worth it anymore. I don't know when you decided to just go with what you know instead of bringing something to the table, but it's pathetic. Why do you think you want from being popular to no one really caring that you left? Because you fell the fuck off, that's why. There was a time when you could bring something interesting to this discussion, but we haven't seen that in years. And it's too bad, because there was a time you didn't suck.

tl;dr i'm a cocksucker who goes with the crowd

That's always been my impression of you since the first time you joined here and started carefully picking your targets, like you still do to this day. The way you IMed me instantly when I picked on you in a Sewers thread to explain how we should be buddies was cute, too.

They say the first impression is always the good one, right ? :3

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Denicalis

I love the way you keep bringing up the fact I tried to avoid escalating a conflict with someone I liked at the time as a bad thing. Good hustle.

Also nice job on trying to change the argument yet again, but the point you were trying to make had nothing to do with my arguing style, you were busy trying to prove I said the pope was a nazi. Good try, though. I'm sure no one else saw what you did there.

And it's going to take more than Secret Squirrel biting at my heels (yet again) to sway my opinion that you've done anything beyond show up, run your mouth accomplishing nothing, and quickly fuck right off again. You can play up the "Deni is mean" card all you like, but it doesn't change the fact you've yet to refute a single thing I've said in this thread.

This from a guy who wandered in saying I was quoting from the DaVinci code (wrong), was using high school anti-religion arguments (wrong) and haven't studied religion (wrong.)

Cute.

hahaha, oh well, guess if I kept feeding you the internet would collapse from the sheer mass of your bad faith, so let's stop here shall we.

lol @ you doing exactly what I described with SS though xD

Jam it back in, in the dark.

One more homosexual allusion to my person ? That's it, I'm leaving GFF forever

There's nowhere I can't reach.