Hitoshi Sakimoto

haha, yeah I don't like him much either and don't understand the craze around him, but I also dislike how you criticize his music from a technical point of view. Like you were able to tell good music from bad music. Ridiculous.

Anyway, the stuff I do like by him are the obvious Tactics Ogre and FF Tactics, though the latter that was entirely composed by him is a bit hard to listen all the way through. Other than this, there are a few retro goodness moments like in Gdleen or Chip Chan Kick. That's it, pretty much. I guess I just dislike what other love about him, namely his long monotonous depressing synth based atmospheres. =/

Just for the record, I've got more or less the same thing to say about Sakuraba.

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Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek

No... I didn't force myself to like it. I forced myself to listen to it until I discovered just what it was about the music that was likable. It was well worth the effort.

Heh, I understand what you mean. I just think there are way too many intanstly likable stuff in the VGM world to waste time with one just because he made scores to popular games. Because really, what was the initial reason for you to go further than your first impression ?

I wonder in what proportions is Sakimoto's fame due to him working for Square rather than his actual composer talents.

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I don't really get your point, Dat. =/

And Rainman and Maul, yes I do claim that Sakimoto would'nt have 20% of his current popularity if you withdrew his work for Square from his discography, especially the FF stuff. My point is that the VGM industry is full of little Sakimotos who just didnt have the chance to work for game series as exposed as he did. No problem with that, that's the way it is in all medias. But here I was originally answering Piccolonamek who said he had to give Sakimoto's music time to grew on him. My point was that he probably wouldnt have given it time if it havent been from a series he loved. So yeah, I'm not saying Sakimoto is bad, just that he is nothing special. ~_~

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Originally Posted by Mr. Maul

Give me some names. I haven't heard a single game composer comparable to Sakimoto in musicianship.

Oh I'm not saying whose music is comparable. I'm just talking in terms of being able to do a decent enough job at it so the fans don't hate it. And what fans don't hate, they love.

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Originally Posted by Taisai

niki, you surely know how much percentage of his popularity would Nobuo Uematsu have without FFs (as much as Uematsu is one of architects who made FF such a huge game). Without illegal download (perhaps it can be legal in some countries), I'm pretty sure few people would heard the Blue Dragon soundtrack. What you talked about Sakimoto can apply to all composers.

Indeed, we know why you bothered to say it for Sakimoto. As you mentioned first, you simply can't understand the craze around Sakimoto at all and then felt liking inflaming Sakimoto supporters. So, you said 'people hear Sakimoto's music not because it's good, but because it's from FF or other franchises'

You're kinda radicalizing what I said. First of, I said myself that that's the way it is in all medias so you don't need to point that out for me. Even geniuses need chances and opportunities.

Secondly, you're mentioning Uematsu while at the same time infirming your point yourself. Like you said, Uematsu not only started working on FF from the very start, but he also contributed a lot on it's success. Now, I'm not saying fanboyism has nothing to do in his fame, and the fact the FF7 OST remains the most popular of his works is proof of that (*sigh*). But still, driving the train of success from day 1 isnt the same thing as jumping in when it has already reached full speed.

And again, I am not being scornful when I say this. That's the way things work and there's nothing wrong with it. I just personally see it as the true explanation of Sakimoto's recognition, rather than his actual talent.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Mr. Maul

Actually, in Japan, Sakimoto became a popular name with 1993's Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen and 1995's Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together. He also won quite a bit of fame with Shippu Mahou Daisakusen and Magical Chase. In terms of Western attention, Final Fantasy Tactics and Vagrant Story were definitely the turning points. In some ways, the latter more so as it was a solo project whereas Masaharu Iwata has never received much Western attention despite his significance pre-VS in Sakimoto's career.

Definitely. That's my point exactly, but expressed more eloquently and persuasively. Basically the reason I found niki's initial statement curious.

Hmm yeah ok I understand your PM now. Thought it refered to your other posts. ~_~

Meh anyway, I'm not going to explain myself one more time. Keep interpreting what I say in the most radical way, I guess.

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Originally Posted by datschge

I'm just not fond of these negative threads (anymore). It would be a nice change of pace if there were such active threads discussing different composers' abilities in constructive, not destructive ways. That's all.

Oh, yeah I guess you're right.

And Maul, I see no problems really. Again, and that'll be my final disclaimer since this is quickly becoming a musical discussion by and for musicians, I don't hate Sakimoto and there are many things I like a lot about him. I just don't think he's all that special, but then again I don't think many of nowadays popular VGM artists are. May be just me ~

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