Next President, Cat Fight, Hillary Clinton vs Condoleezza Rice

Originally Posted by Gohan1983

The next President will most likely if he runs Bill Frist.

Bill Frist? What makes you so certain he'd win the GOP nomination, let alone the Presidency? Not only has he been fairly ineffective as Majority Leader, but he'd first have to get through the primaries even if he runs. In the primaries, even without Rice, he'd still have to get through both John McCain and Rudy Giuliani, as well as any other Republicans who are running, like Newt Gingrich, George Allen (the current frontrunner) and Mitt Romney.

Frist isn't going anywhere but home in 2007.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Gohan1983

True it would be a very tough primary but he is still a candidate if he runs.

The proper response to this statement is "DUH". If someone is running for office, they are a candidate, yes. That goes with the territory of running for office.

But I will guarantee you right now that if he runs, Frist will not win the nomination. He lacks an effective ideological base to run on (Giuliani has the party moderates, McCain has the fiscal conservatives, Brownback has the religious conservatives, etc), he has no accomplishments to run on, and four years of failure as Majority Leader. In fighting over judges, for instance, he made himself look like an extremist, while McCain was the one who got a deal done out of that.

Frist faces simply too many opponents for the nomination who are more popular and better qualified than he is, with too little to counter their positives himself. He's got nothing. He loses.

And there's plenty of controversy that can be used against him if one wanted to. Allegations of possible insider trading, for instance.

If you want to pick a Republican Senator without any controversy attached to him, your best bet would be Richard Lugar.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I'm not counting him out because he's not McCain or Giuliani; I'm counting him out because he's Bill Frist. I've listed the problems he has associated with his being Bill Frist, starting with the fact that he's been a failure as Senate Majority Leader; if that's supposed to be a springboard to the White House, it's not a very good one.

If you're going to make comparisons between Frist and Clinton, it should be pointed out that Clinton was more popular with his party as a whole than Frist is now. Clinton also didn't have a recent record of failure, which Frist does.

And, most importantly, Clinton had an ideological base within his party to run on, the Democratic Leadership Council. What does Frist have?

You keep telling me I shouldn't count Frist out. Can you provide me with some kind of evidence of why I shouldn't?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by lonympics

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You bumped this thread to say that?

Stay gone.

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