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View Poll Results: Worst President of the 20th Century
William McKinley 1 0.71%
Theodore Roosevelt 0 0%
William H. Taft 5 3.55%
Warren G. Harding 12 8.51%
Calvin Coolidge 2 1.42%
Herbert Hoover 10 7.09%
Franklin D. Roosevelt 7 4.96%
Harry S Truman 3 2.13%
Dwight D. Eisenhower 0 0%
John F. Kennedy 0 0%
Lyndon B. Johnson 12 8.51%
Richard Nixon 15 10.64%
Gerald Ford 2 1.42%
Jimmy Carter 19 13.48%
Ronald Reagan 18 12.77%
George H. W. Bush 25 17.73%
Bill Clinton 5 3.55%
Woodrow Wilson 5 3.55%
Voters: 141. You may not vote on this poll

Worst President of the 20th Century
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Old Mar 15, 2008, 09:34 PM Local time: Mar 15, 2008, 09:34 PM #1 of 88
FDR

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Originally posted by TheReverend
Here's the deal though. FDR first brought two things to our government that I see as being what will finally break our country. 1st, Social Security; 2nd deficit spending. Although the second is a good thing, as it is now, it's a really, really bad thing. And the first really is something i think the government should never be involved with, and the care of elderly and the infirm should be left to the families.
I would have to say Franklin Delano Roosevelt and I agree with TheReverend about Social Security and (partially) on deficit spending. Social Security gave people the impression that once they retire, they can rely on the government to pay their way, giving people no incentive to save for their retirement.

Originally posted by phatmastermatt
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Originally posted by phatmastermatt
What if an old man has no family? What if he has no community that will assist him? People are generally good, but it's normally not their job to be helping others at all times.
It seems that this reasoning is begging the question, because you assume that an old man without a family will necessarily need social security. And since you agree that it is not other people's job to be helping others at all times, why should the government, being of, by, and for the people? I think social security is basically theft, because it takes money from productive people and gives it to people who are either unproductive or who did not take the time to invest their money and think about their retirement. The government should not be rewarding stupidity.

However, I think that if people want to donate money or help someone is destitute (from an debilitating illness or accident) that they can do it of their own free will.

I think personally that the whole philosophy of FDR was that the people are too stupid to know what to do themselves, and this was one of the reasons why he was such an enemy of industrialists. He also was the enemy of so many economists because he had a rudimentary understanding of financial markets and the economy. The market has an ebb and flow, but when an institution (like the government) attempts to lessen the impact of the downturn, the market is unable to correct itself.

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