Women and porn

This is somewhat of a two-fold entry as it deals with the same person but two different issues.

The background:

I was flipping channels the other night and came across the E! channel and it was showing a True Hollywood story on Jenna Jameson. For those of you who are not in the know, she is a famous porn star who is now popular in main stream (not so much mainstream movies, but just in celebritydom). It was in the last half hour and I watched the rest of the show. Don't laugh, I don't usually watch that channel...really! But I do like Jenna Jameson as I think she is very down to earth, pretty, yada, yada, yada.

Near the end of the show, somehow the topic came up about her going to heaven and she answered if she thought she would as did some of her friends. The one person that answered the question, and infuriated me to no end, was the Pastor/Preacher/Priest (I'm not sure which he was) who said she was definitely going to hell because of her lifestyle/career.

Judge not, lest ye be judged ~ Can any Christian on here tell me how this man could have sat there with his arrogant attitude and said such a thing?

This is when I get mad at the hypocrisy of Christianity. A Christian is supposed to be a witness in their words, lifestyles and actions, and if someone who was struggling with the acceptance of Christ in their life saw this, they could say, "Hey! If that man who is a leader and a follower of God can judge people, so can I! To hell with what the Bible says I should do!"


The second part is ~ Jenna admitted she likes was she does as a porn star and was never coerced into it. Yet, so many women think that women who are strippers, porn stars, etc. are exploited. Yes, they can be by the unwilling, but there are many who like doing what they do. Why can't these women accept that some women like being hookers, porn stars and so on? Is it beyond their comprehension that a woman can think for herself?

Just some thoughts I had and wanted to know what you all thought.

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This gentleman, and I use that term loosely, may have been on the show in the first 30 minutes and they might have said his name and what denomination he is from. But alas, they did not show it in the segment I watched. I can say he did not have on a priest's robe and such, so he may not have been a priest.

And you are so right about the prostitute. According to the Bible, and I do ask for correction if I am wrong, it's the sins God doesn't like, not the sinner. But regardless, as I said, a person struggling with his/her faith can definitely be confused when seeing these types of actions from a religious leader.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Oops, I did forget to address Alice's comment. Yes, I too believe that not everyone goes into the sex business willingly.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I think that's what we are saying, Alice (your last statement).

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niki, a friend of mine has a website and he pretty much believes as I do. In this one particular entry, the comments are very interesting (scroll to the top and click on Aethist Camp ~ you might want to read the article first). But that's for another thread. :-)~

neus, yes you are right in that one should not emulate a priest or church leader, but it DOES say one should live Christ-like as they are witnesses not only in word, but in action. I wish I could give you some verse examples, but I cannot. I only know that it is there.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Yes, I understand that completely and am fully aware of what it takes to get to heaven. Surely you see, though, that this man had no right to judge her and to say she is going to hell because of her lifestyle.

A quick story. About 4 months ago, a friend and I went to a local bar to see a band that we like. A guy came and asked me to dance and I said yes, though he is not someone I normally would have taken notice to. Regardless, he was very nice, his manners were impressive and just a swell guy. He said he was from Macon (about 30 minutes north of me) and I quizzed him as to why he was at a bar that far from home when Macon has so much more to offer.

He replied that "When you're desparate, you'll go anywhere." I nicely told him that is something he might not want to say to the next gal he dances with...haha. Anyhow, he asked me again several times after that to dance and I politely turned him down. About midnight, he felt the need to tell me that was leaving because he had to get up to go to church the next morning.

With some laughter in my voice, but meaning what I said, I told him that was funny that someone who was making sure he got up to appear at church was hanging out in a place the night before that most in that church would consider a den of iniquity. His reply? "Oh, there are several of us who go to bars around Macon, but we don't discuss it with each other."

How much more hypocritical can that be in living two lifestyles, knowing that one is "wrong" in the eyes of God?

Sorry, that wasn't as quick as I thought. ;_;

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I'm not quite sure I agree with the being jealous mentality. To me, it's a case of being close-minded and being self-righteous. My take on anyone who is self-righteous ~ they wipe their ass just like I do.

I really, really wish I knew who that dude was that made that comment about Jenna J. It would be interesting to read about him and his outlook on life. Kind of reminds me of Fred Phelps, a supposed Christian who delights in the deaths of gay people, Hurricane Katrina, 9/11, etc, etc.

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I certainly won't disagree with you, Sass, that her profession is looked down on any church. Hell, even by non-religious people. Doesn't matter, apparently there is a lucrative career in porn. If the people aren't buying it, she sure wouldn't be making the money she does, no?

The church DOES designate who is going to heaven and hell. According to Southern Baptists and the Bible they use, if you aren't saved, you are going to Hell. Simple as that. Oh, also, if your name is in God's Book of Life, you are going to Heaven. Which means he knows you will eventually be saved.

How other denominations account for who is going to heaven and hell, I can't accurately answer that. Seeing as how Catholics believe in Purgatory, I'm not sure if that is a step up to Heaven or just a holding place to decide where you will eventually go.


Edit: whinehurst ~ loved the last comment!

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Dhsu, good question and one that was brought up in the interview. She and her husband both said they would definitely tell their children what she did for a living. Though she did say when she ever has children, she will leave the business to raise their children.

And you're going to tell me that teenage males don't fantasize about their friend's hot mom, whether she is a porn star or not? ;-)

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I don't recall saying it was alright, though I personally don't see the problem with it. If they are a'buying, she'll be a'sellin'. Are you saying that all the people who watch porn have psychological problems as well? Really, isn't it about supply and demand? How is she being greedy?

My bad ~ I should have stated I was using the Southern Baptists as only one example ~ or more so, the one I know best. And so I basically assumed this gentleman was of the Christianity faith, Baptist I would even bet, since that (Christianity) is the predominant religion in this country and they (Baptists) are fervent about Hell.


And you're right, it's all relative to what a religion believes. But my point was, and again, I'm assuming, but I doubt I'm wrong, if this man is a Christian, he is not supposed to judge. Or is maybe that only preached in certain denominations of Christianity? (rhetorical, not expecting you to know or answer).


Gechmir ~ yes, I understand that the church and its people aren't perfect. They'd be God, then. :-)~ But to publically say what he said is not smiled upon by God almighty. As for the knockouts you know, I'm not sure what to say about that except that some people won't do it because of their moral beliefs, choosing to have a more respected job, or they can just plain be shy about getting naked for strangers.

It doesn't matter the reason. Not everyone thinks porn, prostitution, and the like is wrong. Jim Bakker and Jerry Swaggart sure didn't. :-)~

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Who am I to determine? I don't ~ I'm going by what the good book says a Christian should and should not do. And by God, God is one serious God when it comes to obeying his laws, no?

As for your first question, I'm not sure what to say. Someone asked me those same questions years ago about Corey when I said pot should be legalized. I told them, that no, I wouldn't particularly like it, but if it is what he wants to do, he will find some way to do it, whether I like it or not. Tehy basically thought I was a horrible mother to even possibly think I would not have a problem with him smoking pot.

And guess what? I dealt with that very issue about 6 months ago while I was gone from GFF. I can't say that I jumped for joy when I found out; I was more upset in the manner of how it came to happen (long, boring story). But regardless, I have since then known about when he has drank and the times he has smoked pot because he tells me and doesn't sneak behind my back. I'm not sure if that makes sense to you or makes me sound leniant, but I guess I am pretty laid back about those things.

I just don't know what to answer to your daugher questions. Though I've never been paid to have sex, I've been with a lot of people in my 43 years, starting from the age of 19. Does that make me a bad person or a whore?

Immorality is a tough issue~

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It's a sin outside of marriage according to some and the Catholics certainly think sex is only for pro-creation...haha. Correct me on that one if I'm wrong.

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Like most things, it's easy to say what you WOULD do until it actually happens. The story changes a little when it happens to you.

Exactly. Hence me not being able to fully and honestly answer your question about having a daughter who might do what Jenna J. does. I can't say I'd be thrilled to know she would be called the names she would be called. As for Jenna, she accepts that as part of what she does and can grasp that not everyone agrees with what she does.

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Depends on your motivations in sleeping with these men. ^_^

Sex might possibly be the driving force here for me? I can honestly say most were out of being horny and not for love. What can I say? I like sex. A few years ago when I thought about this and the people I had been with, it came out to be an average of about 1 person a year. This is taking into consideration that some years I was with more than one person and some years, concurrent with each other even!, I did not have sex at all. Does that make me a slut because I like sex and have been with more people than I can count on two hands? I don't think so. I don't dress like one and don't carry myself as one. I'm certainly not a whore as I don't get paid for sex, if we want to use those terms.

Anyhow, yeah, I'm being self-righteous alright. :-)~ Not. I'm just saying just because this preacher believes what he believes does not make Jenna J. a bad person. But he is certainly going to do his best to make her look bad.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Man, you gave me away, Dhsu. haha...nah, no other forms of payment either.

I was speaking idiomatically.

No and no.

I meant according to the Bible it is a sin to fornicate. Fornication is sex between people who are not married to each other. I guess that can emcompass two people who are single and not married to each other and also two people (or one isn't) who are married, but not to each other.

Ok, I found a page that explains what they think fornication is. It lists some OT and NT verses about fornication. http://www.rmsbibleengineering.com/P...y/Page2_1.html

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PattyNBK made a valid point, imo, about the difference between hitmen and prostitutes, etc. Each job, entails at least two people ~ the one who is performing the action and the one who is the recipient of that action. In one case, the recipient is unaware of the action that is going to be performed on them and thusly, they meet their death. The other recepient pays to have a particular action perfomed on or to them and they will go home still alive, and happy, I might add.

I, too, think prostitution should be legalized. If someone wants to pay another for sex, whose business is that but their's? Do prostitutes get busted for receiving favors (jewelry, trips, etc.) instead of money? I ask that as a serious question because I don't know.

In fact, it seems some of you keep forgetting there would be no prostitutes, porn stars and such if there was not a demand for it.

Visavi, this Ultimate Forgiveness ~ I've never heard of it. I guess I need to read up on that.

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Ulysses, good points in your first paragraph. And yes, it certainly would make sense to have the prostitutes work in an area where children are not present. That's what they do in Nevada ~ throw the brothels out in the desert. =p

Your Bible quote is basically along the same lines as the one I quoted. He is a sinner too, I realize that, but to publicly throw out that judgment was not the brightest of moves and I would imagine his God is frowning at him for that. Wonder if he will ask God to forgive him for that. I highly doubt it.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Of couse there is nothing wrong with abiding by a code of love thy neighbor as thyself. Many people live by that code who are not religious. But that should be my own right to choose to live by that code, not because someone or something (the Bible) tells me I should.

Better safe than sorry? So that means if I live my life according to the Bible, and then it turns out there is no God, nor hell, etc., man, think of all the party time I missed.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Seris, if we are going by Christianity beliefs, just believing in God does not keep one from going to hell. Also, being Athiest and not being religious are also two very different things.

Pascal's Wager. Have thought about that in a while. If anyone wants to take a few minutes to read this from my friend's forum, it's somewhat interesting about disproving and proving an existence of something.

Hacifusa ~ I agree. Check this out, along with the comments on the second page.

How ya doing, buddy?