Apple announces new "iPhone".

I will buy one, because that's the sexiest UI I've ever seen in my life and it will work seamlessly with my Mac. You all already knew that. And I don't care what you think. As usual, Apple pioneers in UI and design, which is something that people who only look at "stats/$" don't seem to care about.

Also, this is not the only iPhone. It's just the first. Much like the iPod, there will likely be downscaled models that cost less. Much like the iPod, they are introducing it as a luxury gadget first, letting the early adopters pick it up and lead the way.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Slash

So does this also mean that like the iPod there will be a new one every 3 months that has one more feature that will make the older ones crap?

Considering that there haven't been any really new iPods at all in the last 3 months, I'd consider that argument moot. Heck, the larger capacity 5th generation iPods that came out in the fall actually came with a software update that gave the same abilities to 5th gen iPods that had already been sold for the previous 6 months.

So, I mean, yes, once there's a 6th generation touch-screen iPod (like the iPhone without the phone part), I guess you'll be right. However, I'd say that's less likely to happen here. Apple can easily deliver new functionality via software updates, and new programs for the iPhone will be available for purchase (in the iTunes Store I'd wager). The iPod, at least in terms of major functionality, has always been hardware limited. Clearly the iPhone is a more extendable platform (to a point).

Also, you say it like as soon as Apple releases a new iPod, the previous ones become unusable, which is nonsense. If a device doesn't do everything you want it to yet, don't buy it. If it does, buy it and enjoy it. New things with new abilities will always come out, if you let that dictate your technology purchases you'll never buy anything at all. I still use and enjoy my 3-year-old 3rd gen, touch-button, 20GB iPod with its monochrome screen (though I will be replacing its battery for $40 pretty soon). Know why? Because I bought it based on the capabilities it had at the time. Yes, the newer ones do more, but that's okay.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Merv Burger

I dunno, the AppleTV device could be in pretty good running for that title, too.

Agreed on that count. I could just buy a mini with Front Row and do all the same stuff, plus use whatever codecs I wanted.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by AcerBandit

Can't wait until someone comes out with the same thing minus a phone and uses UMS so you don't have to use a bullshit program like iTunes or whatever the fuck to transfer media and excellent media type support and at least 30 gigs. I'd be more inclined to pay at the least 400 bucks for that.

Well, technically, you don't have to use iTunes. But, since all iPods are metadata-based, they do need an index, unless you use an alternative firmware like RockBox. Of course, you all already know I'm a much bigger fan of metadata-driven filesystems (especially for media), since it allows for greater flexibility. But there's a dead horse I don't feel like beating today.

Anyway, I'd imagine the same touchscreen iPod interface will come to the regular iPod sometime this year. The only question is whether Apple will do it before or after the iPhone launches. I'd bank on after, so as not to downplay the iPhone's buzz. I'm calling it sometime this Autumn—6th gen touch-screen iPod. Of course, if by "decent media support" you mean things like FLAC, APE, or OGM/MKV/AVI, then... I mean, isn't that a dead horse too at this point? :P

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

I'd agree that it'd be nice if you could transfer files straight and have the device build the metadata index on the fly. I'd imagine that as we get closer and closer to database-like filesystems (XFS on Mac, WinFS on Windows) this might come closer to reality on the iPod.

Of course, Apple is in between a rock and a hard place that way w/ the iPod, since they have to at least semi-appease the record companies' requests that the iPod not be made into the easiest piracy device this side of your mom. Fortunately, since I use OS X, iTunes isn't really that onerous. In fact, it's pretty much the only reasonable option, so...

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by NaYa NuhYa

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/11/i...ated-at-birth/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iphone

LG KE850 - Announced before the iPhone.

And the iPhone has been in the works for 2 and a half years. And the LG phone merely has a touch screen, not a multi-touch screen as the iPhone does.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Choc...29#Touch_panel <--- around 2 years old phone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_KG800_%28Chocolate%29

Apple fails.

Maybe you're confusing a touch-screen with a touch panel. Allow me to educate you: Apple had touch-sensitive buttons on their iPods three years ago. The iPhone has a multi-touch screen which can sense simultaneous inputs at multiple points on the screen—something not yet seen in any other consumer device.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97064,00.html ---> Sue

Way to link an ancient, ancient story. Just as a tip, this was resolved months ago. The outcome? Apple gets all "Apple" trademarks, and will licence the Apple trademark to Apple Records Corp. It is also assumed that the Beatles catalog will soon show up on iTunes, perhaps as an exclusive. So... big win for Apple.

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http://news.softpedia.com/news/LG-To...ll-45511.shtml --> another link

http://www.macdailynews.com/index.ph...omments/12322/ ---> same but diff link

Considering that you can't sue someone for developing something similar at the same time without knowledge of the other product, I doubt that will go anywhere. Just more posturing because Apple's in the media these days. The iPhone has been in development for over two years, long before LG publically said anything about their touch-screen phone. I'm not gonna sit here and say the iPhone is revolutionary—it's mostly just some evolutionary convergence + a multi-point touch screen and a seamless UI. But to say it's a rip-off of someone else's device is just blind anti-Apple bias.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6250511.stm --> "iPhone" = copy of another brand.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16566514/ ---> same one

This one's a little weird. You'd think that Apple would've held off on the announcement until a deal had been inked. Nevertheless, the "iPhone" name has been tossed about in the media by journalists for months now in reference to the rumored Apple product with not a peep from Cisco—this is called "failing to defend your trademark." In addition, the products allegedly shipped under this name have been found in stores, not with "iPhone" printed on the box, but slapped on via hastily printed stickers.

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All because of
http://www.schwimmerlegal.com/applerecords.jpg
http://www.schwimmerlegal.com/2007/0...s_sue_app.html

See above and try to learn some facts before you start spouting off.

Originally Posted by Cam

lol @ douchebag apple fanboy comments on that page. I hope meizu decided to use quality parts instead of making 50% profit on an overpriced piece of shit like apple has always done.

lol @ douchebag anti-apple fuckwad. Apple doesn't make 50% profit on anything they sell, it's more like 35%. Yes, still far ahead of others in the industry, but it's clear that people are willing to pay the prices for what they offer which (contrary to your constant diatribes) is more than just a pretty box.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by NaYa NuhYa

iPhone won't be going global until 2009? By than wouldn't most phone have iPhone's new power?

Do you just not read? I mean, come on. It said "exclusive carrier of the iPhone in the United States." Apple said during the keynote announcing the device that the iPhone would be in Europe by the beginning of 2008.

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BTW, iPod has possibly worst sound quality ever. (This is from MINE point of view, and like I said I own 2.)

The 5th gen's output is no demonstrably worse than any other DAP I've seen, and certainly fine for lossily compressed music. But, I mean, if you have a $300 set of open-back cans and are listening to compressed music on a portable player, what the fuck is wrong with you in general? I find tech-heads tend to make a lot of stupid claims regarding audio quality in completely inapplicable situations.

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Pictures of Cowon device.

Looks a lot like the iPhone's iPod interface, which is practically guaranteed to show up in a 6th gen iPod. It's no secret that other manufacturers are doing interesting things in the DAP space, but until they can offer the same level of ease and convenience as the iPod does for me (especially as a Mac user), I have little interest. Outside of tech circles like this board, it's not about capabilities, it's about the total package and experience. For better or worse, Apple makes it easy enough that they got out in front.

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Ah, BTW. LG Chocolate the touchscreen (Not the new one, there is old touch screen one.) has been out atleast 2 years. Because last time I went to Korea was 2 years and I saw it there.

So, should Palm sue Apple because their device has a touchscreen and is a phone, and Palm has had the Treo for several years (and Handspring before them)? Should Apple sue Palm (and themselves) because they made a touchscreen PDA long before anyone else did? It's nonsense. The only reason people are suing Apple now is because Apple is successful, they fear their presence in a new market space, and they smell money.

FELIPE NO