[Movie] ITE: LeHah Lists The Oscar Nominations For 2009

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

I am not a Batman fanboy, but I appreciated Ledger's acting in the film. This should say something for Ledger.

Says a chick who repeatedly claims she doesn't know a lot about film liked Ledger. That's sort of LeHah's point. Ledger's joker is shallow. It's going to appeal to the average watcher, but that doesn't make it great. And Sprout, if you honestly think Ledger would be getting this much attention if he hadn't died, you're out of your goddamned mind. You know as well as anyone how much attention was drawn when he past away, and one of the first causes listed was how he'd gone into a depression after going very dark for the role of the Joker.

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Originally Posted by Pangalin

Shallow compared to what, the great Jokers that have come before? What's the standard of comparison here?

I'm not talking about just Batman movies, or just comic book movies. Joker was shallow in comparison to other characters in film. Ledger was actually my favourite portrayal of the Joker, I just don't think it was on par with Lecter, Hans Beckert, Cody Jarrett, Tajomaru, Goeth...

That's the thing, if you just want to talk comic book movies, Batman is decent. But if you want to talk film, it barely even rates. I don't hate the film with the passion LeHah does, but the Joker just wasn't that intriguing a villain to me. Ledger played it well, but end of the day, it just wasn't written that brilliantly.

P.S.

Yes, the animated series is probably my favourite version of Batman on TV/Film.

P.P.S.

The Cesar Romero Joker is hilarious. I think every villain in face paint needs a huge mustache.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Pangalin

Yeah, but how many of those characters were in 2008 films?

I don't intend to defend Dark Knight as a whole even slightly. The plot is a jumbled mess and the conclusion is a series of facepalm moments so incomprehensible that I have no idea how anyone signed off on them. I really have to believe that there will be, somewhere down the line, a director's cut that makes sense of the total inanity of the film's last 15 minutes. But that doesn't mean we have to reflexively adopt hostility to every single element of the film just because we can, as some people seem to be doing.

Like I said, I don't share LeHah's loathing of everything attached to the film.

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Is it a Great Film? Of course not.

Is it a Great Performance? It's pretty good, but it won't be remembered for more than a year or two at best.

Is it fairly decent by 2008 standards? I tend to think so. Better than "Philip Seymour Hoffman plays: himself. Again."

I don't think PSH is really big on diddling boys in life. Well he might be, I don't know. Anyway, point is I'll take PSH in anything over most people. Dude is sick talented.

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The whole BAAWWWW IT'S ONLY BECAUSE HE'S DEAD thing is just a ridiculous insulting canard. As I pointed out before, it's nothing new for someone to die in a superhero action film, and Brandon Lee couldn't even win a posthumous MTV Movie Award. It's absurd to pretend that there's nothing other than pity underpinning the nomination.

Didn't say it was only because he's dead, I said acting like his death didn't contribute in any way to the buzz is asinine.

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Originally Posted by wvlfpvp

Do we also hate people who act like Lorelai and Lorelai Gilmore?




Cuz I know people like them, too.




I like them, too.

Yes, yes we do.

And I hope for your sake you're fucking joking.

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