[Movie] The Hobbit confirmed - with a twist

Originally Posted by Andrew Evenstar

If Jackson is involved. It will be good.

We do realise Jackson isn't the be-all end-all of film, right?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Andrew Evenstar

If Jackson is involved. It will be good.

Oh yeah, because Jack Brown Genius wasn't fucking awful. And the Elves at Helm's Deep wasn't an embarrassing mangling of the book's metaphor and narrative. Or maybe Valley of the Stereos is your concept of a great epic bit of story telling? How about Meet the Feebles or Bad Taste? Oooo, or the Valley? Greatest bit of cinema history ever?

You're a goddamn putz. Lord of the Rings, for all I love them, are not perfect as films and certainly not as translations from literature. Get over your idiotic fanboyism.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by The Dopefish

Yes, yes, Deni. We ALL fucking know the book was slaughtered and effectively made into a hot dog. Streamlined, juicy, and goes well with your favorite condiments. The argument will be made for years and in 20 years I'm sure we'll all be saying that they could have been better. Those of us who have put the LOTR movies 1, 2 and 3 in our top 5 will be shunned and be given our own little corner of the world to be exiled in. (Perhaps where Bag End was filmed?)

That being said, I think we should all appreciate what Jackson and his cohorts did for the books in terms of adapting them for film and, though I buy it with great pain, I will gladly follow in lemming-like shambling to the movie theatres for any LOTR adaptations that Jackson has a hand in.

I never said I didn't like Lord of the Rings, o-friend-with-questionable-taste-in-sexual-partners. I said they weren't -perfect-, and that a statement resembling "If Jackson is involved, they will be good" is clearly bullshit, as he's made tons of bad movies to go along with Heavenly Creatures and his good work (amongst which, yes, I count Lord of the Rings as being good, the unforgivable elves at helm's deep and dwarf tossing jokes aside).

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Cellius

Actually I appreciate what they did with Helm's Deep knowing they had originally planned to have Arwen the Prevalent Warrior Queen fighting alongside everyone. At least having the elves there preserved a large part of the spirit of the novel, which was that of all the peoples of Middle-earth coming together to fight as one.

What pissed me off the most was Faramir's complete role reversal.
Book: "I would not touch it if I saw it lying by the roadside."
Film: "The Ring will go to Gondor. Here's my chance I'll show you Dad!!"
It's not so much his change in character that irked me as the consequences of his actions, which was essentially taking the Ring to Osgiliath where the Nazgul see it. I mean that contrivance destroyed the beauty of the quest to begin with: Sauron thought it was hundreds of leagues west in Isengard, in Saruman's possession. Nothing really comes of that confrontation on the Osgiliath bridge, but if the Ringwraiths know the ring is there so does Sauron. Whatever, no sense in arguing over it since it's like 6 years old now.

But the point of Helm's Deep, sir, was to show that man alone was capable of standing against the darkness. He didn't need elves, or dwarves, or the older races. Just because man lacks the blood of Aragorn's kin, doesn't mean they would falter in the face of evil. Man is mighty, and though he will unite with the peoples of middle-earth to fight against an overwhelming enemy, he is not doomed once they've gone.

The movie basically says if anything bad happens once the elves leave, mankind is gon' get raped.

You're right, though, about Faramir. Bloody inexcusable.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Kimchi

Oh really? How are they supposted to start the movie if they don't have one yet?

They don't even have a script yet, Kimchi. They'll get a director when that's done.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Matt

It's been awhile since I've read LotR, so I might be wrong on this.
But as I recall, the Ents came to the humans' aide. Or if not the Ents then the forest sprouted up in the battlefield or something to that effect.
Either way, I remember the humans were bailed out of the fight somehow.

At the battle of the Hornburg, humans were bailed out by humans. Gandalf eventually leads the Rohirrim, or what is left of them, into the valley driving the orcs back. The only thing resembling ents that were there is a forest of the non moving ents, the living forest, which blocked a retreat alley. They don't aid in the fight until after it's already over. They mop up the enemies that had already been fully routed by the humans. In the movies, the elves turn the tide of battle, in the books, man turns the tide by perseverance and strength of will.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?