Products of Creation Science

Creation isn't science. At all. I don't care how often the other side wants to claim it is.

Also, the bible isn't your book. You didn't write it. Neither did God or Jesus. Fuck off and die.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

We're not getting into it, LordSword, because it's been discussed here ad nauseum with a defender of your idiocy who was much more talented at it than you. And, you fucking moron, science never claims to be absolutely right. However, overwhelming evidence is overwhelming evidence. "because god said" is NOT overwhelming evidence. And neither is creation PHILOSOPHY about how extremely unlikely is equal to impossible.

You are, as always, not smart enough for us to waste actual conversation on. Go away.

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Originally Posted by LordsSword

What is it about the sources of your overwhelming evidence that has your complete unquestioning trust? Remember after all youre being taught survival of the fittest doctrine whos to say youre not the one being eaten alive?

Even if we were, it doesn't disprove the theory, it validates it. Unlike your stupid doctrine, ours doesn't say we're the final, chosen species to ever exist. You arrogant prat.

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I noticed skepticism is the reigning authority here, funny you dont use it against the sources that provide your evidences.

Actually, we have. That's why science is constantly reworking and moving away from the initial theory and expanding. It's the reason I took evolutionary and vertebrate biology in university. It's the reason we read constant texts and new information on DNA, Mitochondria, and genetic drift and you stick to YOUR bible. We constantly use our skepticism against our own sources. That's why we're bloody skeptics. It's just that their theories are leaps, bounds and bloody canyons (like the grand, that wasn't created in 40 days and 40 nights. We know this because we know how long it takes minerals to break down.) ahead of yours in terms of logic and evidence. Stop trying. You're too stupid to even be a proper zealot these days.

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LordSword, your arguments are tired and boring. Science catches a mistake, and science fixes it. Your conclusion? Science must be checked up on! Well, yeah. That's how we caught the mistake in the first place. By checking up on it, you dolt.

And you're right, if someone doesn't do it your way, it doesn't mean they're wrong. But when they're basing their argument on circumstantial "evidence" and storybooks, then chances are, THEY'RE FUCKING WRONG. Especially when they're arguing with documented proof. I assume you don't need us to explain evolution, or the concept of carbon dating. I trust you're not enough of an idiot to need that done. Your ability to write the English language would dictate otherwise, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt anyway.

You don't like anyone who tells you you're flat out wrong. Which is a pity, because you are. You're little more than a religious troll, and I for one can't wait for the day Styphon strings you up by your neck for being the idiot that you are.

Creation science is the laughing stock of the scientific community. The fact that Americans even consider it (read: the religious right thrusts it on community schools) for elementary education makes most of us snicker. And I'm sure that feeds your pathetic little martyr complex, but there you have it. The evidence is on the table, mate. You're choosing not to acknowledge it because of your personal agenda. YOUR bible states otherwise. Too fucking bad. Your book lied to you. Get over it.

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And you also bite off of Deadwood, which is pretty fucking sweet.

The world needs more Wild Bill.

I was speaking idiomatically.

"Can't you let me go to hell the way I want?"

"Yeah. Yeah, I can do that."

Great line.

A buddy of mine once told me he almost wished Otakukin were real, because then maybe, JUST MAYBE, he had a shot of being reborn as Wild Bill in Deadwood.

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Originally Posted by Windsong

Why not just say "Christianity"? If you're going to bash Christians (and you might as well lump Jews and Muslims in there as well since a majority of them favor Creationism), at least get the wording correct.

Because he's not saying all christians believe in christian science, dipshit. He's saying it's a fundamentalist wing of a religion. That's sort of like saying why specify Al Qaeda? Why not just say "muslims"? Oh, I don't know, because it would be wrong?

Creationism is NOT Creation Science. Creationism is a religious belief, Creation Science is a deliberate attempt to mislead and misrepresent what it is.

Shut up.

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Originally Posted by Watts

Two thousand years from now, I bet most people will think all our modern theories are moronic and that we're all dipshits for thinking otherwise.

Adding... what to the conversation at hand? Yeah, 2000 years from now science will be eclipsed by more elaborate science. That's how it works. Would you care to explain how white isn't black next?

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Except, Watts, that this moved away from philosophical debate and into the realm of actual issue when they started teaching Creation Science in certain classrooms in the US. Or that at any point, dozens of school systems across the United States are being lobbied to include Creation Science as curriculum, taking away from actual education.

You're talking creationism. We're talking Creation Science. Very different things, skipper. We don't care about creationism, we care about the small sect of Creationists trying to push it as SCIENCE into our CLASSROOMS. And if education isn't worth getting worked up about, that's your problem and you can find somewhere else to not follow the line of conversation.

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Originally Posted by Watts

Name a school district where this is currently being taught. The one school district where the board of education succeeded in introducing this to the curriculum every member got the boot. There is no standing court ruling where this is upheld as legal or constitutional.

There is no rampaging horde of creationists that can make it stick. (bold for emphasis)

I guess everybody needs their political demons. So we can all unite against the Jews/Blacks/Creationists/Abortionists/Women/etc or whatever agenda you're subscribing to. Hey, tolerance is only for the jews and the niggers.

On August 11, 1999, by a 6–4 vote the Kansas State Board of Education changed their science education standards to remove any mention of "biological macroevolution, the age of the Earth, or the origin and early development of the Universe", so that evolutionary theory no longer appeared in state-wide standardized tests and "it was left to the 305 local school districts in Kansas whether or not to teach it."[10] This decision was hailed by creationists, and sparked a statewide and nationwide controversy with scientists condemning the change.[11] Challengers in the state's Republican primary who made opposition to the anti-evolution standards their focus were voted in on August 1, 2000, so on February 14, 2001, the Board voted 7–3 to reinstate the teaching of biological evolution and the origin of the earth into the state's science education standards.[10]

In 2002, proponents of intelligent design asked the Ohio Board of Education to adopt intelligent design as part of its standard biology curriculum, in line with the guidelines of the Edwards v. Aguillard holding. In December 2002, the Board adopted a proposal that permitted, but did not require, the teaching of intelligent design.

In 2004 Kansas Board of Education elections gave religious conservatives a majority and, influenced by the Discovery Institute, they arranged the Kansas evolution hearings. On August 9, 2005, the Kansas State Board of Education drafted new "science standards that require critical analysis of evolution – including scientific evidence refuting the theory,"[16] which opponents analysed as effectively stating that intelligent design should be taught.[17] The new standards also provide a definition of science that does not preclude supernatural explanations, and were approved by a 6-4 vote on November 8, 2005 – the same day, interestingly, on which the Dover school board members were voted out (see above).






So yes, though they were overturned, the point is this was being taught in a classroom, hotshot. There is no raving christian right trying to get things taught in a classroom, except that every few years, Georgia, Kansas and Illinois have to have a serious debate about where God belongs in classrooms. And they have, on several occasions, decided to teach ID as a substitute to science. So there ARE people pushing this through in certain parts of the country.

You want to know -WHY- they can't make it stick? Because there are people educated on the subject and taking it on headfirst when it rears its ugly head.

People who don't confuse Creation Science with creationism, for instance, sir. You're not needed here. All you've done is basically say "NO ONE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THIS" and dig your head in the sand.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Yes, because if we all stop paying attention to it and laugh it off, saying education and science are unnecessary things to defend THAT'S the best way to do it. Because complacency, that's the best answer!

You're not terribly bright, son. Peddle yourself elsewhere. Both sides of this debate think you're a prat.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Watts

What makes you think there isn't a agenda already at work? Was the Soviet Union's fine example of adaption in biological evolution not enough?

I'm sorry, did you just infer that the North American school system is pushing an agenda akin to Soviet Russia?

Yeah, from this point on I'm ignoring you completely. You clearly have no grasp of history, biology, or the real world. Kudos, sir, on managing to be as fucking idiotic as LordSword from a completely different perspective.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Watts

I'm glad that somebody else found this all amusing as much as I did.

Oh no, cap'n. I assure you. Plenty of us find you right amusing. Especially the bit where you infer scientific study is akin to Soviet Russia skewing knowledge to make a political point.

I was speaking idiomatically.

You've missed the point, Lurker. His argument basically boils down to: "You hate me because I'm different, while I hate you because you're all the same."

For someone who was screaming about a lack of critical thought, he's pretty quick to wave his arms around and scream AGENDA with no proof beyond his own petty paranoia. But he's right, you know. We're taught to think in a uniform fashion. Which is why anthropology always agrees with sociology, who always agrees with psychology, who always agrees with religious studies, etc.

It's a pity. Smart enough to read Farenheit 451, not smart enough to apply the metaphor properly. Ah well, maybe the next one, eh Watts?

Oh, and as a P.S.

There is no big vast conspiracy pushing a scientific agenda. And even if there were, it would get overturned anyway. You see why your logic is burying you?

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Originally Posted by LordsSword

Yes. A six day creation too. I also believe in a God that can make 10 million year old rocks in a fraction of the time. Scientists can tell me what they observe but they don't run anything and they dont have a blueprint of the laws of the universe. They may act like it & expect me to fall in line but I'm not game for that.

But the great sky bully who dictates all things. That you're game for. Please tell me you see the irony. But this entry isn't about your faith, it's about your idiotic belief in a non-science.

And Brady, that's only because the cro-mags hadn't figured out wire hangers yet.

And as someone who has papers published, albeit in the social sciences and not the hard ones, I figured I'd give you my take on the link you gave to RR. My reaction is basically the same. As I noted here http://www.gamingforce.org/forums/jo...&entryid=32467, a man who loathes religion might turn to it under duress (I have every expectation you'll completely miss the point of that entry and skew what happened, but so be it. Be a zealot if you want.) so what would a religious man do when faced with a crisis of faith? As RR said, following a gut feeling is fine. Following a gut feeling in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary is probably going to make you look like an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Stop Sign

Ug is wimpy casual gamer. Old-schoolers like Torg only play Joe & Mac for NES.

Ug prefer Joe & Mac for SNES. More historically accurate. Ug hates anachronism.

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"We don't know the answer. Right, well, must be God. I mean, otherwise we could explain everything. Because we have the full understanding of the universe."

You arrogant, arrogant fuck. You're the reason people think christians are pricks. I mean, you know that, right? You're the problem your religion has. You're the reason people don't like to go to church. You're the reason when someone says they're christian, scientific minded people look with disdain. If people like you would shut the fuck up, maybe perceptions would actually shift.

Here, let me sum up every argument you've ever made:

"I don't know the answer, so God."

"People disagree with me because God tests me. God."

"Not everyone hates me, they just know God is the answer to all things and they're afraid."

"Oh hey, my cable went on the fritz. GOD."

"The volcano exploded and we don't know why. UG KNOWS IT WAS VOLCANO GOD."

"Oh, have I mentioned I'm religious?"


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Sweet merciful crap, didn't we ban Simply Majestic for shit like this?

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Stop Sign

Funny thing is, he PMed me afterwards asking me to stop arguing with him in public because it would threaten the show of peace and harmony among Christians. That's the word he used: "show".

This guy just gets better and better.

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