The 101 Most Influential People Who Never Lived

Originally Posted by Dark Nation

Archie Bunker being more influential then DRACULA?

...RIGHT. This list just went out the window.

Um, yeah? Seriously, grow the fuck up and get some perspective. Of course Arching Bunker is more influential than Dracula. That show was one of the first to really bridge the race issue in a sitcom. The list is crap, but that is NOT one of the reasons. Christ.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Dark Nation

Oh ho, why not insult others for their opinions?

See, I look at this like this: Archie Bunker is influential, I don't deny that, but Dracula has been responsible for the rise of the vampire as a villain and tragic anti-hero (Or in some movies, heroes in their own light against more sinister supernatural entities). There's been a series of mostly successful video-games based around taking down vampires. Movies and theater plays have regularly been made featuring, or have influences from the character (If not having a character being related to the character, or charged with slaying him, his descendant, or incarnations of the man). He's appeared in Comic Books, Novels, Anime & Manga, Television, even cartoons. Dracula is at the top of what is now an archetype for villains.

I DO have perspective and that is why I was looking at the overall picture.

You could even take a look at his 'contributions' at THIS page.

You are free to disagree with me, but please keep yourself civil.

You have no perspective, and that is painful. He's been influential on other fictional aspects of life. Archie Bunker is credited as bringing race relations to the forefront in the real world conversation. Beyond politics, and into the living rooms of Middle America.

And Dracula is not the earliest anti-hero. How about Apollonius' Jason? How about Marlowe's Faust? Your history is all off the scale, and you're just flat out -wrong-.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Dark Nation

I disagree. Why don't you quit with the insults already and look at what we're discussing:

1. Fictional Aspects? He's had plenty of real-world influence. Theater Plays,

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Movies,

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Video-games,

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TV Shows, etc.,

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You're making my point for me, son.

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2. I specifically said that Dracula established the VAMPIRE as an anti-hero, not anti-heros in general. I think you're getting confused on the point here: Both characters were influential, but its a matter of who was MORE influential: Archie Bunker or Dracula.

Yeah, and show me how Dracula being an anti-hero had any real world influence at all, please.

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Anyway, I think I'll stop here because its clear you won't take a look at my points of view, and seem to keep telling me I'm flat out wrong or I have no perspective with little to back that up... i.e., an insult, and that is not productive or enjoyable discussion for me.

I imagine it isn't enjoyable when someone calls you out for having an opinion that's so ass backwards that it's laughable.

Dracula inspired lots of other fictional worlds, sure. But he has not had the sort of on the ground ramifications of Archie Bunker. This isn't even a question. This is so obvious it slaps you in the face.

How ya doing, buddy?

Clearly had a huge effect on the world around us, Crash. Clearly.

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Originally Posted by Devoxycontin

Someone needs to read.

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I was speaking idiomatically.

Well, DN, setting aside for the moment that I studied vampire lore and mythology in school, and that I didn't need the history lesson about how more people know who Dracula is than know who Archie Bunker is, because it doesn't really effect the discussion, you're still wrong.

Dracula did not change the discussion at the dinner table concerning race, tolerance and civil liberties. Dracula did not raise awareness of the treatment of gays, blacks, jews and any number of other social issues in the prime time slot. Dracula did not broach the topic of rape in the middle of the dinner hour. All in the Family is one of the most ground breaking TV shows ever. It created a SOCIAL DISCOURSE that Dracula has never created, not even close. Archie Bunker spear headed a push to social awareness and pulled a lot of people out of a clandestine way of thinking.

All Dracula did was inspire other vampire stories, none of which changed the country in any meaningful way. You're not winning this fight, son.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?