Finishing up Firefly.

The fact that they cancelled Firefly breaks my goddamn heart. I think it's Joss' best work of the holy three. Buffy and Angel had too many weak episodes, whereas Firefly was brilliant. I suggest downloading the three Serentity comics too, Dope. Fills in some story bits.

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Originally Posted by The Dopefish

Edited for accuracy.

I never watched either Buffy or Angel, so I have no idea what, if anything, is so good about them. Joss knows what's going on with sci-fi, obviously, and Firefly was a breath of fresh air.

Wasn't it just? "What does that make us?" "Big damn heroes, sir?" "Ain't we just."

The dialogue was... it was ridiculous. All the actors knew their roles inside and out, especially Nathan Fillion. I've liked him since Two Guys and a Girl, and his role as Caleb in Buffy blew me the fuck away. But it's like he was born to play Mal Reynolds. It absolutely murders me to know I'll never know what exactly Book's history was.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Crash Landon

Despite Firefly's originality, the bulk of Joss Whedon's work is cliched tripe, pablum unworthy of the energy it takes to transmit it to even a single television set. Firefly was indeed the best project and even then it wasn't anything revolutionary. Entertaining enough but it didn't break a ton of ground.

As for Buffy or Angel, I wouldn't even wipe my ass with those scripts. Whedon's work on these shows has demonstrated that he's little more than an industry hack and that Firefly was his only relatively worthwhile idea.

Joss Whedon is to science-fiction as Carrot Top is to stand-up comedy.

Well congratulations Mr. Landon for figuring out what everyone already realised years ago. Of coure Firefly wasn't revolutionary. It was just -good-. And Buffy and Angel hardly enter into it. 90% garbage, 10% strong dialogue in certain episodes. Not worth the time, in my opinion. But Firefly could easily have become the most entertaining sci-fi on television right now.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Crash Landon

Now see, you agree that Whedon's subsequent work is vastly inferior. However, in actuality, you're in the minority, as there are scads of Buffy-obsessed fuckwits still traipsing about this planet.

Angel and Buffy reruns still pull in strong ratings for their afternoon timeslots. And I've overheard more than only a couple conversations in which two colossal losers express their heartfelt desire to fellate Mr. Whedon as recompense for all his contributions to sci-fi.

Honestly, I think much of Firefly's quality can be attributed to the writing of Ben Edlund. (Titan A.E., The Venture Bros., The Tick comic book series) Edlund's stamp is clearly visible on Firefly, which helped elevate it above Whedon's other works.

I am aware that Edlund also served as a staff writer for Angel, but this was in the show's final seasons and by that time, the die of mediocrity had already been cast; Edlund had to work with the characters and plotlines created before his arrival, resulting in a "Here's some turnips, now make some lemonade" scenario for him.

I just don't think much of Whedon. Most overrated writer/director/producer since George Lucas.

Oh, then we're in agreement. I contribute a huge portion of Firefly to Ben Edlund. The man who writes Venture Bros and the Tick can do no wrong. Plus, his bits at the end of Angel are some of the best dialogue in the whole series. "Would you like me to lie to you now?" "Yes, please." And for the record, I watch both Buffy and Angel. But I realise how horrible they are. The good episodes are always written by people who aren't Joss Whedon. That being said, I wouldn't say he's as bad as George Lucas. People build fucking monuments to that piece of shit.

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Originally Posted by Zeo

You're wrong.

Angel is one of the best TV shows to ever grace the small screen. It has some of the best writing, characters, acting, and storylines ever. Seasons 3 and 4 of Angel are better than 99% of anything on TV. Ever.

He is not an industry hack and you suck.



You're right. People who love quality TV shows are fuckwits.

Idiot.



Well here you go:

Spoiler:

Book was an Operative.

I like how you say this with absolutely no proof of any of it. "It's good and you suck! ROFL." Good for you, though. And yes, everyone has heard that theory about Book. It's never been substantiated. Again, nice hustle though.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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Pretty cunning, dontcha think?

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He robbed from the rich
and he gave to the poor.
Stood up to the man
and gave him what for.
Our love for him now
ain't hard to explain.
The hero of Canton
the man they call Jayne.

Our Jayne saw the mudders' backs breakin'.
He saw the mudders'lament.
And he saw the Magistrate takin'
every dollar and leavin' five cents.
So he said "You can't do that to my people."
He said "You can't crush them under your heel."
So Jayne strapped on his hat
and in 5 seconds flat
stole everythin' Boss Higgins had to steal.

He robbed from the rich
and he gave to the poor.
Stood up to the man
and gave him what for.
Our love for him now
ain't hard to explain.
The hero of Canton
the man they call Jayne.

Now here is what separates heroes
from common folk like you and I.
The man they call Jayne
he turned 'round his plane
and let that money hit sky.

He dropped it onto our houses
he dropped it into our yards.
The man they called Jayne
he stole away our pain
and headed out for the stars!

Here we go!

He robbed from the rich
and he gave to the poor.
Stood up to the man
and gave him what for.
Our love for him now
ain't hard to explain.
The hero of Canton
the man they call Jayne.

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Originally Posted by LeHah

Yeah, and thank God you quoted his entire damned post because none of us are smart enough to follow linear thinking.

Jerk.

God I missed you, LeHah. And that isn't even sarcasm.

FELIPE NO

Getting back on track, I love how it wasn't until last week that I figured out that Adam Baldwin was THAT sort of Baldwin. Also, I like how if you watch Angel, almost the whole cast pops up at different places.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Ya, I don't like Ayos eithter, but his sig makes me remember "Whoa, good bible..." and then I laugh.

Jam it back in, in the dark.