Lockerbie Bomber is free...

The reason we have a legal system is because it is meant to be unbiased and uninterested in things like revenge.

As a single person, you can stand there and say he hurt people, so we should hurt him back. But luckily there is a whole system in place that makes sure your petty bullshit stays within your own confines. You can hate him all you want, but the system doesn't. That's how it's meant to work.

Hammuravi is overrated, Locke. I'm with Pang, I think "better than a murderer" should be the lowest you set your bar. I'm more horrified by your fervor for this man who did nothing to you personally than I am by his being set free.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm sure the families feel the same way there Deni.

Let me know if your loved ones get murdered, and the killer is set free because he's sick. I'm sure you'll be fine with that too.

Of course I'd be fucking pissed. I'd want him dead.

And that's why the system is there.

Thanks for proving my point while missing it entirely yourself.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Locke

You'd be pissed exactly - so how is it fair - even unbiased fair that a murderer gets set free because he is sick and going to die. Why should he be allowed to die with his family around him, when those he killed were not. Why does he deserve anything better then to die in jail. Why does he get a get-out-of-jail-free card because he's sick? Would you feel the same way to the 9/11 hijackers?

Yeah. Yeah I would.

And he doesn't deserve it. He doesn't deserve to die alone in a rotting cell, either. Because you or I aren't fit to make judgment calls like that. So in this case the government erred on the side of caring, forgiveness and being the better man.

Those bastards. Clearly he hates them for his freedom.

(keep proving my point for me, though. It's going great.)

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Locke

The system is meant to punish, and reform people who have broken the law - Other then a few select circumstances, I do not see anyone in the system worse then this man. Do they get "compassionate" terms of release?

When was the last time the Scots released a muderer on "compassionate" terms? Why do they not level their justice evenly? Isn't that the point you were trying to make? That noone in the system is special?

Um, people get released for compassionate terms all the time. Usually because the hospital has better care for them than the prison does.

So, uh, yeah.

Wanna swing again there, Angry Johnny?

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Locke

Be sure to show up at his funeral then, and celebrate his life. I'm sure the 270 families will be there as well cheering him on.

So deni - when did the scots do it last? When I watched the press conference, he skirted around that subject all the time - didn't give any firm answers. Only that "it's based on an individual basis." Should be a blanket though - don't you think? Nothing individual about it?

I understand there is no chance for reform - but why reward him with a free expenses paid trip back home to die around his family - what in his life did he ever do to deserve that?

Because we're better than a man who kills hundreds of people for no really good reason. We show compassion, understanding and the will to forgive despite being provoked.

Because we aim to be better than his actions were.

But please, continue to spout hate and rage when it furthers nothing and accomplishes less.

His dying in prison of cancer points out how truly intolerant the West can be. Released, he's far less a martyr and less of a propaganda tool for those that would applaud his prior actions.

Even on a purely practical basis, Locke: U rong.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Locke

Yes, you're right - his release was not a propaganda tool at all...

Um. We said it -was- a propaganda tool? Please learn logic, reason and politics before posting next.

I assume we'll see you in about six years.

It's cool.

I'll wait.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Locke

I don't care who he killed - Americans, Brits, Scots, whoever - it shouldn't make a hair of difference.

And what is releasing him going to do to stop future attacks? He was pretty much rewarded a flight home to be with his family as he died - Pretty decent reward for 270 murders.

The fact you don't understand how showing a populace that thinks you're cruel and hateful a bit of compassion is good for public relations just proves what a hateful, small-minded person you, yourself, are.

Oh god. He got to go home just before he died of a painful disease! Clearly there was no punishment handed out.*




*please note decades in prison and having cancer do not count as bad things to happen to a person in the world of Locke.

You're a hair's breadth away from being one of the "They hate us for our Freedom" ignorants, Locke. What the fuck.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Locke

Deni,

I've had family suffer and pass from that terrible disease, yet it still does not change what that man did in his life. A murderer with cancer, is still a murderer, whichever way you slice it. If you have sympathy for him, fine - I'll let you explain that to the families of his victims - it shouldn't be a problem right?

I wouldn't be able to do it. Maybe I'm hateful and small minded - but I couldn't tell a mother that it was OK her son's murderer was given a free ride home to die with his family - when her son wasn't given that at all.

A life sentence is just that - a life sentence. Why should he be released because he is sick and going to die anyways? Why should he be allowed a hero's welcome as he returns home, a triumphant murderer.The only public relations this did was make the man a hero, and he will die a hero and a martyr, more so then if he had died in Scotland.

And are you okay with going to this man's family and telling him he has to die in prison, alone and without proper care because you're mad?

I'm not defending him, I'm defending the logic in being decent rather than spiteful.

But you're cool with the hate, so good on you.

How ya doing, buddy?

Okay there Hammuravi.

You keep acting like you're not the crazy, vicious one here.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Because you miss the point.

The suffering of a few hundred families is sad, but it isn't what we base a system of justice on. Why do you think the American version has her blindfolded, you fucking twat?

You don't get it, Locke. You haven't gotten it since word one. I'm not going to continue to make valid point after valid point, only to have you ignore it in the search for your own misguided definition of justice and right. If you want to follow Hammuravi, go for it. But don't be shocked when I tell you you're a barbaric, backwards twit.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Locke

I see I've gotten a rise out of you - and you still refuse to answer the question - leads me to believe that you couldn't tell the families what you are telling me. Shows you something right there about yourself now doesn't it?

At least I'm honest about what I say.

Last time, moron.

I'm personally outraged at his actions. I think he's a terrible human being. But the system is there so our personal feelings don't take precedent over being a decent human being because of our clouded rationality and emotional reactions.

You're right, though. It shows me I'm able to comprehend logic and make informed, reasonable, rational decisions while you are a two year old moving between emotional outrage and pouting.

Good job, hero. You're an honest ignorant child. Just like my year old nephew.

Do you spit up on your high chair, too? Feel free to also be proud of that accomplishment.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Locke

Again... No answers... Hypocrite.

I see you understand the word hypocrite as much as you understand the word martyr.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Locke

Meh - I told you all how I feel, and why I feel it - I understand that nothing I could say could change your minds. It's just the way it works online.

I'm heading to bed now - gotta fly in the morning. Ciao.

And we told you why what you feel is small minded and has nothing to do with justice.

Feel free to "feel" your way into reading a few books before the next time you talk. Truthiness is funny but not at all applicable in the real world.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by YOU MAD

No, he wants prisoners punishments to be decided by emotionally vested tools on the internet who want nothing more than vengeance.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Malmer

I agree with this utterly and completely. There's no bullshit, it's straight down and freed from human emotion.

And for this exact reason, I don't see why he should go free all of a sudden. Somehow 'care' got involved.

No it didn't. Politics did.

See Pang's argument concerning martyrdom.

FELIPE NO

Hey Locke. Are you comfortable telling this member of the victims families your position?

Lockerbie bombing: victim's father to sue - Telegraph

Seems he's pretty cool with it, son.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?