[Wii] Super Smash Bros. Brawl Tournament Discussion

Originally Posted by Slash

Because maybe there is a person in Team B who we can call Player Z who wants to play on Stage Y instead of stage X but the rest of the people, Player J, Player K and Player L don't like stage Y because Stage X is a better stage than stage Y while Player Z is extremely good at Stage Y and has a great strategy to use against Team A that want to play on stage X.

Or in other words, we can keep it simple, but make it interesting by adding our little rule cards in...which could make it interesting say one card is Items on high but the only one allowed are bob-ombs

Player B, C, and Z all want to play Fox only, no items, Final Destination, but Stage T and Items Q, F, and Z are requirements that team J all really want. So how do we fix this situation? We have a rule card where Team J can say Item Q is turned on, but only with Item J isn't and the rule card is nullified if the other team plays an anti-Item card. All Team J has to do is pull Card 8 out and use that to nullify the anti-Item card and also turn on Game Mode P. After that, character K, M, and Z aren't usable because to use them one of the teams had to play the Tier 4 Characters card.

Speaking of which, is Metaknight or Kirby Tier 3? Metaknight could be Tier 4 because his Up+B isn't all that good but some people might have mastered it so we'd have to move it to Tier 3 because he's actually better than we thought so it can be more fair to the people who only know how to use Fox.

Oh, and before I forget, you should also make sure that everyone gets the last right of lag refusal. Any and all matches can be nullified if someone feels they lagged for longer than .5 seconds at any point during the match, unless it's on Final Destination, where any lag is unacceptable and nullifies the match entirely and it has to be replayed.

And one more thing, if Character K...

YOU ARE THINKING TOO MUCH. THIS IS A GAME, NOT A GOVERNMENT RESEARCH PROJECT. STOP ELIMINATING VARIABLES.

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Originally Posted by Slash

But we are making this fun and innovative. We were thinking that the rule cards don't have to explicitly ban a certain thing, but could instead say "This stage gets reopened" or something of the nature.

You know what's fun and innovative? Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

You know what's a clear indicator that people are too insecure to admit that their inability to win every match DOESN'T have anything to do with the features of the game and instead has to do with their insistence on learning one particular set of actions over and over? Setting so many fucking rules that 90% of the game is turned off.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by sprouticus

While I agreed with and propped the hell out of your post, Mo0, I don't think the rule card thing is that complicated... I saw it less as a way to "eliminate variables" and more of a way to do things differently and keep things interesting throughout the duration of the tourney, while not succumbing to being complete fags.

The problem is we're getting tons of different opinions from tons of different people. "This is too complicated" or "we MUST ban these levels" and whatnot.

Chaotic, if you want to run this thing, you need to just set the rules, wipe your hands on your pants, and get this shit going. I think we need to honestly just close this clusterfuck of a thread, close the other sign-up thread, and make a brand new one that says "HERE ARE THE RULES, SIGN UP HERE"

No more bureaucracy, lets get this shit GOING!

Well, I wasn't really saying that the rule card thing WAS that complicated. I was just baffled by the use of 8 different letters to refer to different items. If you have to go beyond A, B, and C, your example/situation is TOO COMPLICATED.

I wholeheartedly think the idea is bureaucracy for bureaucracy's sake, though. If your tournament has rules for determining rules, you've gone too far into the meta.

Sprout has the right idea. Man up, DECIDE on something, and start the tournament. Otherwise the discussion will fall into a Wikipedia administration-style endless loop of circlejerk.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Rotorblade

Rome wasn't built in a day. How long was the interest held in that? I THREW THE MOTHERFUCKING PROTIP UP, YOU FAGS JUST HAD TO TRY AND SPICE THINGS UP.

Rome also wasn't a tournament involving less than 100 people in a medium that exists entirely for leisure.

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Originally Posted by Chaotic

I tried, but everyone's getting at me for trying to make this a people's tournament.

The problem with making it a "people's tournament" is that no matter how many ways you give people to be in control of their own fate, someone is going to want more or less control. Like sprout said, the problem with trying to make a tournament that EVERYONE is happy with is that you have to balance 30+ people's opinions on almost 75 items, 30 stages, 30 characters, multiple ways of running a tournament, ways to handle lag, etc.

And like Skills pointed out, GFF is not really known for having people with long gaming attention spans. I would just love to see the tournament succeed before everyone moves on.

This thread is not a bad idea, but you guys seem to be applying more weight on input from Smashboards and other tourneyfag sources than the people actually posting in the thread. There simply is no need for that much planning for a friendly competition between GFFers. Did you even read Skills' post earlier in the thread?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Oh for crying out loud, since when are items other than the Smash Ball unfair? They're an extra edge that ANY character can use.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

The gold dud hammer pissed me off the first time I got it. SQUEAKY HAMMER IS BAD.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Look, I didn't want to come across as an outsider trying to impose my views, or anything. I flew into a nerdrage because I was watching a good idea get ruined by too much pussyfooting and not enough action, and didn't want to see anyone get disappointed.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?