HAY GUYS

The_Griffin · Local time: Mar 16, 2006, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Watts

There you go. Three presidents who were above the law. Oh... they're all democrats too. Enjoy.

And you have such a... talent for telling half the story.

Nixon: Watergate - Had some of his cronies burglarize the Watergate Hotel, the Democratic headquarters, and then attempted to cover it up and silence the press. Read "All the President's Men" for the full story. Became the first president in history to be impeached.

Reagan: "Irangate" - Sold arms to Iran illegally in exchange for the release of hostages by Iranian militant groups, then used the profits to supply the Contras. A little more about this: http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/e.../m0020627.html

Off the top of my head, two Republican presidents that believed that the law didn't apply to them.

Point is, that there will ALWAYS be bad apples, and somehow they will get elected, and they will attempt to expand their power using both legal and illegal means. It doesn't matter if it's a Democrat or a Republican who is pulling bullshit, the fact is that they're PULLING BULLSHIT.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

The_Griffin · Local time: Mar 17, 2006, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Watts

We're talking about domestic repression. But I'll bite. Nixon would be hailed as a great liberal today. Was for gun control, imposed price controls, started affirmative action. Probably could go on.

Yet there are liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats. You're so interested into making it into a "Democrats vs. Republicans" debate that I pointed out several Republicans who had thought themselves above the law.

Quote:

Second, when hasn't there been a little elections controversy? People still aren't sure about 2000. Some say 2004 wasn't fair....

The 2000 election, if I recall correctly, didn't involve burglary. It involved a key figure who had a particular bias against Gore, but not burglary.

Quote:

At this point aren't we beyond just a few bad apples? And scapegoating Bush?

Your point? I'm actually serious about this, I have no clue what you meant by that. ^^"

Oh, and I totally forgot about Johnson, Styphon. Damn you and your history crown. ;_;

Most amazing jew boots

The_Griffin · Local time: Mar 18, 2006, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by Watts

My point has always been that these types of laws have historically been used and abused by Presidents; whether Democrat or Republican. The reason I cited purely Democrat President examples was when somebody said to the extent that; "This law will probably only be passed because President Bush believes he's above the law". Clearly somebody needed some prespective. Which I tried to provide. Just blaming Bush is a cop-out, and ignores a lot of (apparently) untold history.

So... the fact that people have done something wrong in the past completely excuses Bush doing something wrong today?

By that logic, we shouldn't prosecute bank robbers because Bonnie and Clyde did the same thing in the 30's.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

The_Griffin · Local time: Mar 19, 2006, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Watts

No, all I said was that placing all blame on proposed laws like these solely on Bush is illogical. Did I ever say he shouldn't be held responsible if he were ever to abuse it? Nope.

Hmm... I must've misread your post. When you said "just blaming Bush is a cop-out" I took it as to say "Others have done it, so it's okay if he does it too."

Meh, whatev.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?