Double Standards

Originally Posted by agreatguy6

If you'll remember, there were white slaves in England.
And what about the jews? They've gone through a LOT more than any Afro-American has!

Yes, but America isn't England. And also, America didn't ship jews to camps. If you'll take notice, black history month is an AMERICAN HOLIDAY FUCKTARD.

Originally Posted by agreatguy6

And the NAACP??? Association for COLORED people? Why can't Whites have an Association for NON-COLORED people?

Whites do have an association for non-colored people. It's called THE RUNNING OF THE WORLD association.

Originally Posted by agreatguy6

Associated with poverty and violence?? Have you EVER walked down Peachtree Street? (oh wait, perhaps you haven't)

What, is Peachtree Street one of the TENS of rich black communities in the US? How about you look at some statistics instead of relying on your own personal worldview, and be a little less ignorant for all of our sakes.

Originally Posted by agreatguy6

They may HAVE BEEN mistreated, but now they just trample over their liberators.

They may have been mistreated? MAY HAVE BEEN? Maybe you're right. Maybe getting my leg chopped off for trying to escape a slave camp isn't so bad after all.

I really wish you would've been born into a ghetto, abandoned by your father, lived with gang violence all during your life, and then try to make a living selling drugs since that's the only visible opportunity to be successful in your life.

And then, I want you to say that you haven't been mistreated by society, because your chances of success were EQUAL to a white suburban male growing up.

Originally Posted by agreatguy6

And besides, what about this crap about the only people in the south are rednecks? What of that? Perhaps the reason that yanks are considered down here to be snobbish is because they act snobbishly to us!

If by "snobbish" you mean "call you a fucking retard for being such a bigot," then yes, I'm acting snobbishly towards you.

Originally Posted by agreatguy6

Eventually they got used to it and then the North said, HEY!!! You can't do that to another human! even though it was a practice they started in the first place.

And after that, it just gets uglier.

Oh it just gets uglier after that? You mean, at the point in which the South said fuck you, we're going to keep our slave labor because plantation owners like being rich? Oh yea, that ugly part. The part where they went to war in order to have the right to own people.

And you know, I don't blame anyone who lives in the south now for what's happened in the past. My mom and brothers and stepdad all live there, and it's a great place. It's just fucking bigots like you that bring out the anger so well.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by ArrowHead

Hu Jintao and Abdul Kalam among many others would be insulted by that statement.

Why, thank you for missing the point of my exaggeration.

Originally Posted by ArrowHead

I call fallacy of appeal to emotion.

I don't care what you call. It's the reality of most kids growing up in a ghetto, regardless of race. Your rejection of this situation is is due to believing the world gives every person an equal chance regardless of their circumstances, which is statistically proven to be a load of shit. Steven Levitt shows that socioeconomic conditions are deeply correlated to the level of success a child will show in the school system in his book Freakonomics.

Originally Posted by ArrowHead

You mean the part where the North said the South could no longer use the slaves that THEY SOLD TO THEM? And the part where the South went to war to protect their economy?

Yes, the part where the South went to war to protect their economy based around slave labor. An economy who's premise is white people staying rich and black people staying slaves. Just because slavery was part of their economic system doesn't all of a sudden make it less bad.

Not that I'm saying the North wasn't also to blame. I'm not going to defend the North and say they committed no wrongs. There were good people on both sides of the line. But in the end, them winning was the better outcome for equality, obviously.

Originally Posted by ArrowHead

Oh, so he's bigoted and you're not? Seriously. Look at what he said, and look at what you said. Now tell me that he's bigoted and you're not.

OK. I seriously looked, seriously. And now I have to tell you.... ok I can do this... he's a bigot and I'm not. There we go! Actually you're correct, I'm a bigot against those who'd like to claim the battle for civil rights has been won and we need to move on. Especially when it comes from people who don't know jack fuck about the statistics and the reality of living life in the inner city.

Originally Posted by Acro-nym

I'm personally under the belief that if they truly have accomplished great things in whatever field, they will be recognized for it by those within the field.

http://www.diversityinc.com/public/21699.cfm

An example of why you're wrong.

Originally Posted by agreatguy6

No, fucktard. Peachtree street is one of the worst streets there are.
All of Atlanta is awful.

OK. So, I'm not sure why you brought it up in reference to the street then. Is it populated mostly by whites? If you're trying to make the point that white people are also victims of violence and poverty, I agree. However, by and large, minorities make up the largest amount of people below the poverty line and vicitims of far more many crimes related to gang violence or other inner city circumstances.

Originally Posted by agreatguy6

I didn't capitalize May for a reason. Have been was capitalised to signify that that was in the PAST!!!!!!

Fair enough, I apologize.

Originally Posted by agreatguy6

welcome to my world, ass wipe.
It sucks to be us, doesn't it?

If you're in this situation then I wish you the best in what you do. You are one of the many fighting against the environment you were born into. My point still remains that a disproportionate amount of minorities are in your situation then are white people. Your conclusion that minorities shouldn't need any more help from the government may be true idealistically, but the government is doing next to nothing concerning poverty, so the next best thing are groups formed to help their race, and more specifically the poorer, more violence ridden places their race lives in.

Originally Posted by agreatguy6

No, I'm not, but the idea of choosing a black guy with a GED over a white guy who actually made it through HS simply because the black guy is black and they don't have enough black people in the college they applied to, for some reason that makes me mad.

You mean affirmative action pisses you off. Which I could agree with to an extent, in that affirmative action tries to fix the problem after it's too late. The problem with racial inequality starts way before an 18 year old goes to look for a job or to apply to a college.

Originally Posted by agreatguy6

Now, I'm not saying that I'm for slavery of any kind, but in this instanse (slave trade aside) I'm with the south.

So you're for the south concerning economic penalties they suffered that were unrelated to their slave system? I'd agree.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Acro-nym

How does this prove me wrong? Are you trying to say that minorities in politics get too little recognition? I'm sure they do, but politicians don't get awards for things, unless they appear in some type of media. Thus, minorities aren't the only ones not being recognized for their political actions. Maybe there should be a politican award program. I'm sure at least a few would get some kind of recognition if such a thing existed.

Ahhh OK, I thought for some reason you were expanding on things beyond award-type things. Sorry. I'd agree that with most awards there's an equal chance between any race to recieve one. But then you also have to look at something like movies, like the Academy Awards. How often do you see a black guy in a dramatic, serious lead role? They may have an equal chance once they become a star, but becoming a star in the first place is the tricky thing, or getting that high in any field, I would think, is harder for a minority.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.