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This game is definitely loads of fun. Especially on Versus mode. Though, maybe I'm too critical about how people act on there, but there's a lot of people that don't even try to coordinate attacking. Like hunters just jumping on someone while other infected still haven't spawned yet as well as all of the survivors being right beside them, and then there's all of us progressing forward as survivors, only to turn around, and spot one of your teammates playing around half a map away, and get pounced.

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Originally Posted by Grail

While I agree that there is not a lot of 'coordinated' attacks, a lot of the times I'll go ahead and pull this stunt is when I, unfortunately, am the only hunter/smoker alive and everyone else is dead. The reason for that being is that every second that you cost the survivors from moving forward, those seconds are spent with the other infected soon spawning. Sometimes it's the difference between a decent attack made by just a boomer, or through the small confusion of knocking the other survivors back, a newly spawned smoker can nab another one, thus costing the survivors more time they should be using to run to the safe room.

Though, I agree, when all four infected are up and running, a coordinated attack is great, with the boomer being THE handiest infected to have period. I can't express how grateful I am as a hunter/smoker to see a boomer nail two or three people with a spit or an explosion so that the survivors that are still free have to mow down a wall of zombies just to get to the person I pounced or entangled.

Last night was epic...first map of Blood harvest and I was playing with three other people who were halfway decent at playing infected...it went down so smoothly halfway through. Me and two others were hunters, and we had one smoker. The smoker (in plain sight) snared someone up, and us hunters systematically (within like...3 seconds) all managed to pounce on every single other survivor so that all four of them were completely screwed.

Weird thing was, they were actually all laying there, snagged or pounced, and it didn't stop...the round only ended when they were all brought to that incaped phase. Which was weird in my book.

Yeah, I'll do the same in those situations as well, and it's understandable to do so. Though the guys I meant are the ones where most of the team is alive, and setting up an ambush up ahead, they'll go and attack them too soon. Oh, the ones that annoy me the most though are when you're a smoker, and you catch someone, and then a hunter for whatever reason will ignore the person coming to save that person, and instead pounce on the guy you just snagged.

Though, I seen a potentially epic show today. I failed to do this myself another day, and someone did it today. Essentially on the fourth map of No Mercy, with the elevator someone caught one of the survivors and dragged them out of the elevator as it was closing. It was beautiful.

Also, I can understand why the round didn't end. In that situation it didn't matter, but I've had a lot of times where I had pinned the last guy as a hunter, and a tank has come up and knocked me off, only for the guy to kill the tank, and bring back all his party.

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Yeah, I've done the pouncing an incapacitated guy when I meant to pounce the guy whos up beside him.

Though, the people that generally pounce my smoker'd guy are usually those who had plenty of time to know I have it. Like that I've just dragged the person from maximum distance to myself and I'm beating on him, and the hunter will pounce him, and the person coming to save them moments later arrives and slaughters both of us.

I could understand it being, "Oh, lag, sorry about that man." but there have been times where it happened multiple times in the same match by the same person. Though now that I'm talking about the game, I really want to go play it.

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Originally Posted by Pangalin

I think the only real buff Smokers need is a slight increase in the pull speed and also for a snag from above to actually pull the victim upward.

I think that would be pretty cool, but then you potentially make the smoker too powerful. What if they get the players all the way up to the top of a high building and someone shoots you to save them? The players would just fall to their deaths anyways. The only reason to save a person at that point would be to deny the smoker points.

The only thing that I could think of that would be good is that maybe the Smoker uses the person as a human shield, because right now when someone is smoked, what do people do? They just shoot the player, and the smoker together. The person takes little damage, and the smoker takes a lot. In that situation I think the survivor should take more damage from shots fired at them.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Pangalin

Well, you could make the upward pull slower than the normal pull, maybe 1/2 speed or something. I don't think "If you leave your friends smokered for a full minute, they might be impossible to save" is really superpowerful; if you left somebody underneath a hunter that long they'd surely be dead. Just slooooowly hitch them upward, inch after agonizing inch.

Smokers on rooftops are a little harder to hit, as well, so this simultaneously weakens melee (you can't melee somebody out of a smoke if they're out of reach) and strengthens the hunting rifle, which are both needed changes.

Ahhh, that's true about the hunter. Yeah, that would be a good thing then, not even half the speed like three quarters of the speed, as long as it was just a tad bit slower than pulling across the ground.

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