Products of Creation Science

My question for this thread is the following:

When will Christianity, and all other forms of religion going to go out like the greek myths and roman myths of their time? Because, if I'm not mistaken, isn't religion based upon myths? Myths, in this case, are stories to explain things that the comman man does not know how to explain factually?

I mean, shit...according to the native americans, wasn't the earth placed on a turtle's back, a gigantic turtle that would encircle the sun while the earth rolled around on it's back?

Shit son, Noah's Arc was probably based off some myth involving poseiden being extremely pissed off, with his trident stuck up his ass. Speaking of Noah's Ark, where the hell is the bitch that road with Noah's testimony? I mean fuck, the woman he fornicated with SHOULD have at least given props or something.

All and all, the Bible was plagerized

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by killerpineapple

The Christian faith differs from Romans, Native Americans, and the like because Christianity isn't a culture nor is it confined to a geographic area. And the myths associated with certain culture, like the Romans, are oftentimes not believed by its people. China, Scandinavia, Central America, Africa...these areas today all have rich mythologies tied to their cultures that are clearly not embraced as truth by most of their inhabitants.

Um...not to burst your bubble, but in all actuallity Christianity started out like that. It was confined to one area, and well, it spread like a plague of sorts.

Think of it this way. What if instead of Europeons landing on American soil, the native americans would have been the first to become more sophisticated, and went to spread their beliefs among the many other lands? Safe to say if that happened, you might be looking at your corn right now and praying to it.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I personally believe that even though they were completely uptight pricks, the gods of Greek mythology were pretty fucking simple.

I mean seriously, if you were a sailor, you prayed to posiedon and worshiped him, if you were a swinger you prayed to aphrodite, if you enjoyed killing the fuck out of people you worshipped Ares, and if you were an emo prick, you'd worship Hades.

But all in all, in greek and roman religion, it all started with ONE being, I believe it was Chronos for Greek, and his roman name escapes me now.

The one good thing Greek and Roman mythology had going for it was that yes, these gods were all powerful, and demanded your worship, made you sacrifice things you held dear, and all around were used to explain how things happen...and this is why I enjoy Greek and Roman mythology the most...

NO ONE EVER CLAIMED THAT THE GODS LOVED US AND CARED ABOUT US AT ALL.

Unlike a certain diety that hides behind the idea that as long as you do what he says, you'll experience a blissful afterlife...but if you don't you suffer for eternity...but he still loves you.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Avalokiteshvara

In God's defense though, there is some difficulty reconciling free will with bliss for everyone. If you define infinite love as bliss for everyone, things get sticky. I think all that implies is that bliss for everyone and infinite love are not necessarily identical. Assume that heaven and hell are natural consequences, rather than assignations and you see where I'm going.

Natural consequences is perfectly fine, and I gladly accept that. If I'm a deadbeat asshole that only seeks to cause harm to others somewhere down the line in an extreme way, I'd accept the fact I'm going to burn.

But I think if I'm a generally nice guy, who makes people laugh, has a good time without it being at others expenses (not all the time >.>) and all around doesn't harm a soul, I don't think I should be damned to an infinate abyss of torture and slavery just because I don't believe in God.

But that's the way it is...most the time if you don't believe in God, you burn, or in some cases, the J-Dawg. That's just messed up in my opinion

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by killerpineapple

Gee, that's one way to look at it. I certainly wouldn't word it that way. "Kissing ass" implies that I do something even though I don't want to.

Yeah, but this is what following most religions is all about. You do things in your life on an everyday basis, but for the most part, it has to be within a certain set of rules.

It's actually human nature to want to do everything one can without consequences, to have no worries of repercussion at all, to be truly 'free' as one would say. Every Sunday people go to church, some are bred to believe that they SHOULD go to Church every sunday, and learn to enjoy it...but deep down I'm sure that a lot of the times they are going there just to kiss ass.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by killerpineapple

Yes. It is clearly written in the bible that God will pay more attention when two or more people pray in one accord. Church is not a building, it's a group of people who worship together so you're correct about the location not being important. However, fellowship is an integral part of Christian development. Good question.

I'd like to say for one second that I'm impressed you haven't taken the usual route by those who defend christiantiy by calling us a bunch of heretics and going off on a god spam, you have my respect.

Though to the above, in the quote, that god pays attention to those who pray with more than one person...that to me just says that as a single entity we don't matter, a single person doesn't matter, but a group does. Kinda sounds like the government to me >.>

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Yup. It sounds lame, idiotic, and obtuse; i know. I don't expect most people to accept it or even understand why Christians would think this way. It really only makes sense to the devout.

This is like a battered wife saying that other people don't understand how much her abusive, redneck, tank top wearing, mullet cut husband loves her.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Think about it this way. If Scientology exists, and we all know that it is fake/doesn't even matter, think about how easy it was for people back 2000 years ago to believe that a man could walk on water blah blah blah.

Sure, Hubbard was one guy, but get enough people to back up your claim, and soon it spreads. Hell, I don't even know if Hubbard actually STARTED that damndable religion, but hey...Following what went on with the whole "God" thing, only a few people have seen 'god' and wrote about it...same with Hubbard...yet we bash scientology because Tom Cruise is an active member. So what's the big difference?

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Traveller87

The difference lies in how deeply rooted and accepted Christianity is in our society. Its influence (both positive and negative) on our very basic laws is far greater than the influence of a -so far deviant- group of scientologists. It's easy to stigmatize an out-group.

Deep rooted or not, the Bible is still just a ficticious account. I'm sure if there is a God, I SERIOUSLY doubt that he would enjoy having several groups made out of his image bickering about how one is better than the other.

Christianity states that there is only one God correct? And if anyone doesn't recognize their god, they are heathens and will suffer for all eternity. Well, if God created man in his image, that's pretty much saying that a LOT of what God is is rubbish, and isn't worthy. Know what I'm saying?

That is why I love Greek and Roman, even Egyptian and Norse Mythology. Sure, there was one God that started it all, but you have CHOICES as to who to actually worship without everyone going up in arms. And the great thing about it is, no matter who you worshipped, everyone went to the same place...though that place wasn't just black and white, it was an entire account of what good deeds you did and what bad deeds you did...and if the bad outweigh the good (and I mean seriously bad shit like murder for profit yadda yadda) Then your ass unfortunately got sent to the bad side of things.

Christianity: What? You don't belive in OUR god? Well shit...off to the fryer with you then.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by LeHah

To alter one of the oldest arguements against God - If there is a God, why does he allow people to argue over him? Either he doesn't exist and thusly cannot care or he's a dipshit and enjoys watching people argue.

Well it does have to do with the whole free will thing, but more importantly, if there is a God. Though I just think it's hilarious that most of the time it's the ones who worship him the most that are the ones probably going to burn for insulting him unintentionally.

One would think that acceptance would rule high up their on God's list of things he wants from Man, but shit...guess not.

And I do believe that if God does sit up there and enjoy watching people argue over him, then we actually MIGHT be in his image...I mean shit, how many people watch Jerry Springer or fucking Maury Povich?

YOU ARE NOT THE FATHER

OH HELL YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH BOOOOOI

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by LeHah

There is a very simple problem with your arguement. You say that people are insulting him unintentionally by improper worship. Unless you have direct, proven contact with God himself - how are you doing any different than they are? How do you know differently than them? (Admitting athieism after this point only proves you may not understand what you're saying.)

It's not necessarily improper worship, I just think it's a little odd that most everyone believes that we are made out of God's image, and if that is so, having intolerance for another's beliefs, race, sex etc. etc. would be indirectly insulting God's image would it not?

It's just an idea, I'm not any different than anyone else, but I'm not a bible thumper either. What you're asking me, I believe, is if I know exactly what God's idea of proper worship is...and I don't. I just don't think a good way of worshiping one god would be to completely alienate everyone who doesn't agree with me. To me that would be more along the lines of kissing ass, which was mentioned above...brown nosing to get into heaven if you will.

There's nowhere I can't reach.