Gasoline/diesel prices hit record highs

I don't know why this is a political topic, really. Like NP said, no matter your political affiliation, it's going to to affect you. Why NP drives a giant SUV is beyond me at this point.

Like Shin said, people should start relying on their car less and on alternative modes of transportation more. If you live in a city, use public transportation to get around.

Use your bike. Hell, use your feet if it's an option. No one will think less of you for it.

There are alternatives out there for the local persons.

But we're not even looking at personal vehicles anymore. The cost of diesel is SKY high. That means our trucking system needs to be revamped as well. I was just looking at a train hauling ass through the woods the other and was wondering why we don't aspire to use trains more. I mean hell, there are so many possibilities there.

Anyways, on a personal level, it's about more walking and biking than before. Unfortunately, I can't do that in winter here. I'll have to suck it up then, but for now, the weather is nice and I have no real excuse.

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Originally Posted by Night Phoenix

Because it's the only vehicle I have, obviously.

You'd think a trade-in would be considered here, NP. I mean, if it's really killing your wallet, get rid of it. Makes sense to me. Not that it's my business, but you're bitching about it. So imagine there's a solution to the problem, if you really want it.

Vanity can only go so far.

We don't need more fucking oil. We need to get off the addiction to oil - not seek out more food for the fatties. The solution lies in both the psyche of the world and other forms of alternative transportation (which includes different types of vehicles which are fueled by something more renewable and less expensive than fossil fuel.)

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Originally Posted by Night Phoenix

I'm not bitching about gasoline prices - it is what it is and if I want to move around, I'm gonna pay the cost.

Besides - I actually need a SUV. When I DJ parties or perform at shows, it helps to have the extra cargo space for equipment - plus my logo is on the vehicle, which in the rap game helps me out by making people think I'm a lot more famous than I actually am.

I drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee - I'm no better. But I also need it for all the trekking I do, so I guess we're both idiots. =D

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And you can say we don't need more oil, but you know that's not the case.

I'm all for alternative fuels, but that shit is not going to change overnight. In the meantime, let us use the resources we do have to alleviate the pressure while we research and try to make a transition gradually over time. I'm not against change, but I'm not all for trying to force change and fucking everything up in the process.

No, I agree with you. The problem won't resolve itself overnight, by far. But the change starts here and now.

The industry has got to change as well. There are different kinds of vehicles that use different technologies which should be made available to the public. If there's a demand (and there seems to be) for different kinds of vehicles, it'd be worth the research and production. While I'm not an expert in any of these fields, I see a lot of potential out there to make the transition in the auto industry from fossil fuel to alternative fuels.

Petroleum in your every day products and trucking costs with diesel of course will take longer to resolve. But for immediate purposes (since we're talking about the cost of gasoline to the average retail consumer), the vehicle issue could be resolved if there wasn't so much goddamn red tape.

I figure you're all for drilling in Alaska?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Night Phoenix

I'm for drilling wherever there is oil.

So you're all for potentially destroying an arguably pristine piece of national forest and it's ecosystem in the name of a temporary solution to a fuel crisis?

Don't you think that maybe we could explore other options before finding more crack for the people and their SUVs?

Could you explain your rationale there?

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Originally Posted by Anazai

You can drill for oil all you want, but nothing will ever match the oil producing ability of the rich middle east. If we're already pumping as much as we can from the richest deposits of oil known to the world and we're getting these prices, what is trying to squeeze oil from a few measly spots going to do?]

I agree with this.

The solution doesn't lie in finding more oil. The solution lies in axing this co-dependent nature we have with fossil fuel.

While everyone is digging up Alaska and wasting time trying to fuel our addiction (lol pun), we could maybe be doing something a lot more productive with our time and money, like finding more efficient engines and weaning off so much petroleum in our every day products.

PS - NP, you didn't explain the rationale. Sadface.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Shonos

Ethanol is pointless, especially ethanol gained from corn. It raises the price on feed for livestock and humans. Since it's more profitable to sell corn for fuel, meat prices will go up as farmers sell less feed and raise less livestock. Everything that uses corn based products will rise in price since there's less corn for human consumption.

Switch grass would be a better source for ethanol, since it grows fucking everywhere and you don't lose as much energy as you would when using corn. But this wouldn't change the fact you still need twice as much ethanol to run an engine, so the distance you get on a gallon is even worst.

The government pushes ethanol, but you're right - it's not that great.

There's a reason they push for the ethanol, too. Corn lobby. My god, is that shit dirty business. Awful awful awful.

Deni is right, though. This country is "bloated" on oil money. (nice way to put it) It's hard to wean a nation off of that kind of thing.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?