Why not legalize prostitution?

Man, my father recently found out that my one of my most-desired professions was "madam." He kind of flipped.

I don't see why it's not legalized like it is at the Bunny Ranches out there in Nevada. I mean, at least the girls would be there voluntarily as employees, they'd be checked regularly with their health, and they'd be providing a completely valid service to people.

While I know this all my contradict what I normally say (as my sister often points out), I think the legalization of prostitution would provide safer, healthier work environments.

Let's face it. It's the "oldest profession" known to man - it's not going to disappear if we outlaw it. The conditions in which the person (man or woman, really) works will only become more black market and more dangerous to the individual who is arguably forced into that profession.

(I do know that a lot of women do it because they want to - they should have that option as an American, if you ask me)

The conditions for these people would be a lot better if the authority legalized it - and to me, that's more important than the morality of the profession.

Deni once said that morality should never be... how did he say... governed? At least in a free society.

Besides - the hoes don't hurt anyone. Sure, they may indirectly ruin a marriage or break up a family - but that wasn't their choice. It's the customer's choice to pay money for sexual trade.

At least you know your husband is clean when he comes home and sleeps with you after banging a legal hoe.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

Hell, economics alone, think of how much money you can rake in if you actually tax cunt.

Well, golly. That's a little sexist. Why not tax dick too? That way, you cover your field entirely! Think of the profit!

(Gay people need sex too ;_; )

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Divest

This is no fun if everyone agrees. ;___;

Give it a little time. I am sure a conservative will come in and call us all horrible, immoral people shortly.

Maybe.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Divest

Where's LordsSword?

In hiding after 2 infractions, likely.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Watts

1. Prices would go up.

States would be given a monopoly on the sex trade. No different then the monopoly a lot of states have on tobacco and alcohol. This would not increase competition, nor would it lower the cost. The exact opposite would occur.

Anything considered a "vice" in the United States would inevitably be taxed more. Whenever taxes need to be raised, alcohol and tobacco are usually the first ones to get hit. Even in blue states. I'm not even gonna touch regulation. I'm way too bias.

Of course, this is all just relative to what men are paying whores today. Gold digging whores hold out for a wedding ring, an SUV, and a home in the suburbs. Classy whores usually require a meal and/or a movie. Low-bred whores only needing a drink or two.

O no, women will earn more than $5 for a blow job, how horrible!

(Tax the fuck out of it, I say. You want it? You pay for it. How is this a bad thing.)

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2. It would empower modern feminism.

Legalizing prostitution would cause all sorts of cries of "legalized" rape and "exploitation" from feminists. Nevermind the fact that prostitutes would be "exploiting" lonely men of money. Feminists could attract more support for their ideology where they wouldn't be able to find it before. Namely from social conservatives.

Modern day feminism has not changed anything for the better for anyone. Unfortunately it has caused gender suspicion and hatred mutually. Kinda like how Marxism causes mutual class suspicion and hatred. Legalizing prostitution would only increase the tensions between the sexes.

If only I had a whore for everytime I've heard a modern feminism accuse all men of being -potential- rapists. It would've made pre-law courses involving crime, particularly rape crime bearable.

Who the hell cares. It's like listening to PETA because they're anti-....anti-human, I guess. ^_^

If the feminists were smart, they'd embrace the ideal. It's protecting women in legalizing it. Maybe the only way to show some people how that works is if you make them work in the current industry, and then in the proposed industry.

Whether women like it or not, sex in general is a commodity. Male, female, whatever - it's commodity. It has been for thousands of years, and will continue to be, illegal or not. Neither you nor anyone else will change this.

Until you physiologically make sex less pleasant than it is, you're not going to change this fact.

Best to make it safe and clean for those who chose to work in the industry.

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3. Making sex a legalized commodity is a mistake.

Well, there's an opinion if I've ever heard one. Does this constitute a factual statement, or just your opinion?

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All sorts of unintended consequences would result. Just watch me or some other dickwad slap down as many patents and copyrights as they can once sex becomes a legally recognized commodity.

Think about what companies like Monsanto have done for agriculture.

Could you explain how you went from selling sex to Monsato and agriculture? I mean, I THINK I see the point you're trying to make, but from my perspective, you're so off base with this one. =/

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No, just keep it illegal. Everybody already knows that laws only matter if you get caught anyhow.

Why should a paralyzed man who can't get laid otherwise go to prison because he was trying to offer a whore some cash to get his dick wet? Or even some college kid, a married man, whatever?

What's the crime there?

Put real criminals in jail - not horny men.

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This is a reason for women to want to keep prostitution illegal.

Thanks for telling me what we all think! I appreciate that!

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If sex is the only thing a woman has to offer in a marriage then it is in her best interests to monopolize sex as much as possible.

Who said it's the "only thing" a woman has to offer?

Pussy is a commodity. Ain't no denyin' brotha. It's not the lifestyle I'd chose for myself, but I don't see why any American, red-blooded woman can't chose to sell her own body for cash.

That is a right that should be left up to her, and her entirely.

Which, ha ha, comes full circle when I mention that in a legalized, controlled environment, it would be more her choice than ever. Do you know how many women are in the sex industry unwillingly these days? It's scary.

They are most vulnerable when the market isn't regulated.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by killerpineapple

Enter the conservative...

I'm actually finding it tough to object on anything other than morals. I just don't want to live in a place that condones that type of industry.

That could be said of anything that any group of people happen to not like.

There are a lot of things that happen in this country which I (and many others) don't like, and don't feel like putting up with. But we do. (creationism, for one)

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On the other hand, nobody seems to be shoving the stripper way of life down the throats of young girls. Although it's a dramatic leap, widespread legalization of prostitution hopefully wouldn't permeate society anymore than gentlemen clubs do.

Stripping and prostitution aren't the same thing. You know this, right? There's no sex in the champagne room.

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I've heard that places with legalized prostitution like Denmark have very impressive stats with regards to STDs, teen pregnancy, and even higher average age of virgins. Better than in comparison with countries that have outlawed it. (can anyone confirm this?)

Deni did.

The problem here is that the Americans regard sex as this awful, dirty, disgusting act.

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But I'm still against it. Nyeah nyeah!

Yes, thats the point here. "It seems that it works elsewhere, and things run smoother when sex becomes an industry that isn't black-market. The facts are there! But n'yah n'yah, I don't like it, therefore it should remain outlawed!"

It's a child's argument.

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Whether or not anyone shares my morals or not, I would still push to keep prostitution illegal. Hmm, let's get rid of the strip clubs while we're at it too. MWA HA HA! I honestly feel we'd be better off without those types of things. The world I'm imagining probably isn't as fun, but overall it would be happier one. Hrm, better qualify that last sentence by saying, "...at least in my opinion."

Yes. We get it. You don't like it. Therefore, it should be illegal.

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But what's the point? 1. Looks like most of you disagree with me. (D'oh!) 2. The other 49 states are very unlikely to amend their laws. (Hooray!) And 3., prostitutes are still going to work, legal or not, throughout the U.S. (Waah!)

Yes, let's continue to keep people getting abused, addicted, and selling themselves in a dangerous environment needlessly! Just because you don't like the industry.

You see, in this great country of the US of A, we're supposed to have some freedom, provided we hurt no one. We're supposed to have choice. We're supposed to be able to decide for ourselves what is good for us. We're adults. We don't want other peoples' opinions to reign over our own lives. That's freedom.

You chose to not involve yourself in the industry, as I am sure millions would also do.

But for those who want to be able to buy some pussy, cock, tits or ass in a legal, clean, safe, and legit way should also have a choice.

Besides. I don't want ANYONE (including Senators) in MY bedroom telling me what I can and can not do. If two consenting adults want to exchange money or goods for some sexual favors, who the hell can tell them they can't do that.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by killerpineapple

Well I'm glad at least one person was offended by me. I'll try harder. I thought "nyeah nyeah" was a dead give away that I wasn't being all that serious. Oh well.

I'm not offended by you. I just think your argument is silly.

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Religious argument: Is anybody really going to be shocked that most of the major religions find prostitution to be a deplorable act? Moving on...

"Moving on" after you mention it? That's funny.

No one should really give a flying fuck what the religious think of this. They can practice whatever religion they want to in the privacy of their homes or in congregations.

Just like people can have sex in their homes and in orgies. Who the hell cares.

You don't like it? Don't do it. (But we totally know the religious do it anyways. =p)

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Moral argument: In general I'm against anything I wouldn't want my kids (if I had any) to be a part of. Prostitution, casual sex, gangs, recreational drug use, violence, etc, etc, etc. Yeah, I'm really that boring and close minded. I don't even want to see this stuff advertised or accepted by society in general. So all I do is continue to vote for legislation that suits me. If I'm overruled by the majority I'll learn to deal with it. I'm not going to pack my bags and head overseas in disgust. Nyeah nyeah!

You chose to think prostitution is as bad as gang violence and street crime, I recommend you look into what happens to present prostitutes who work illegally on the street. It may sadden you.

You have your own moral compass. That's great. I'm glad you've actually considered what "right" and "wrong" mean, as most people don't usually consider even thinking about it, and just eat up whatever shit is fed to them.

At the same time, your moral compass is not everyone else's. I see what you're saying - you'd personally not chose to see this happen. But what interests me most is that you ignore the facts and continue to shake your head saying "I don't like it, so I won't go for it."

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I strongly disagree that people should be allowed to do any old thing they want within the confines of their private lives. Drug abuse affects more than just the one person who does it.

But it's their choice to do it. Yes, addiction is a horrific thing. But yet, some people chose to do it, knowing the consequences.

I got proper education regarding drugs and addiction in school.

Hell, people do a LOT of stupid shit knowing the consequences.

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Sexual indecency has an emotional impact that goes beyond just the two people involved. It may also have a medical impact that can be so widespread it's frightening.

Yea, medical impact. That's kind of my argument. Thanks for giving that one to me.

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The negative impact these things have on society is too much (imho) to justify the desired rights of the individual. And where do you draw the line?

You draw the line when you start telling a society what is right and what is wrong, and making adult decisions for them.

You have absolutely no right to tell me that I can't tie up my CONSENTING husband and shove a dildo up his ass.

I don't tell you what to do - why do you think you have the right to tell me what to do? (Not you or I personally, you know what I mean)

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No large group of people is ever going to agree on whether or not a 25 year old can legally have a sexual relationship with a 17 year old. Whichever side you are in favor of, there is going to be a split between people who are comfortable and people who aren't with, oh...let's say a kindergarten teacher who paid her way through college by being a prostitute. If prostitution is legal, who's to say that's unacceptable? How do people in Vegas deal with these issues? :\

Er. Who said anything about underage children working in legal prostitution?

See, you keep arguing these points, but you're really making my case FOR me.

In the present, illegal system of prostitution, there are PLENTY of underage people working as little workhorses, putting out for the masses. If the industry was regulated, that shit wouldn't happen.

As it stands, since the industry is widely illegal and unchecked, they can do pretty much whatever the hell they want.

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But like the situation in the U.S. is really gonna change any time soon. Yay for me!

That's why it's totally illegal in Nevada, right?

FELIPE NO

I thought prostitution is not actually legal within city confines of Vegas. I am pretty sure that's what a cop told me when I was there, but I see no such documentation. Turns out you can't street walk in Vegas - you just go to a brothel and pay a pretty dime for some company.

You all just yell at me all you like for this link to the wiki on Hoes in Nevada, but at least you may get a little educated.

I myself did not know brothels are legal in Rhode Island! I think I know where I will be moving in the future!

Which means two states actually allow prostitution! Just not in street-walker style in both Nevada AND Rhode Island.

This means that you can't walk the streets as a hoe - you actually have to take up a company to work for. Essentially, contractors for a brothel. Which is a really neat concept, if you ask me.

Lastly, I notice that a Baptist pastor from Reno leads the Nevada Brothel Owners' Association. Isn't that dandy? <3

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by niki

You see, that's something I always wondered about America. How officially detached from religious morals is it actually ? I mean, you do have the "Under God" thing and the "In God we Trust" on your money ...

Well, theoretically, church and state should be separate. But that's not technically in the Constitution, but a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to some Baptists. He actually ties the Constitution's First Amendment to the noted "separation of church and state" making it clear (to me) that there should be a divide.

These days, the interpretation and vigor faced for the "god" in government depends on where you live, I guess. We're a big, big nation with lots of local and regional cultures. Some people want a god to be involved, some don't.

Massachusetts? We don't generally have problems with more.... "progressive" ideas like gay marriage and anti-gun laws or whatever. We're pretty "godless" and reasonably "liberal" about our national views.

Texas? Fat chance of seeing any homofags getting married out there anytime soon, or possibly getting rid of their guns.

As for the money bit - we can thank the Civil War and the religiously needy during that horrific time. War does crazy shit to people, I guess. In times of need, turn to the most convenient god...? After that business, I suppose it sounded good, and they left it.

Though I am sure Styphon or someone else can recount history more accurately than I can.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Wait.

Are you arguing that smoking butts is less harmful than smoking pot?

I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there.

I mean, depending on the frequency of use of either item, cigarettes are far more harmful to the health of an individual than smoking pot is. (Granted, pot smokers don't usually smoke quite as much as cigarette smokers by habit, which should say something right there)

I could be wrong, but I have NEVER heard of death due to marijuana.

Cigarettes, however....

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Divest

No, no.

The complete opposite. I'm saying smoking pot is more harmful.

Divest, did you read what I wrote. =/

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And I've heard of plenty of deaths related to marijuana.

I'll concede the point if you can prove more deaths nationally from marijuana than from cigarettes. =D

At the same time, we're losing the original point of the OP. I'm not sure if that's kosher or not, considering it's pretty much KP arguing with everyone who uses their brain.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by DarkMageOzzie

On the topic of Marijuana being harmful. I had a friend that smoked pot. He died at the age of 19 from a rare lung disease. Now, I'm no doctor but the fact that it was something involving his lungs, just kinda leaves me to believe it might have had something to do with all the pot he smoked.

He died at 19 due to a rare lung disease. He shouldn't have been smoking anything, dude.

He didn't die because of marijuana use - the shit just sped up the degradation of his lungs, I imagine. But then, I'm not a doctor.

But seriously. Someone prove that pot kills more people nationally/annually than cigarettes! I'd love to see that one.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

I probably have no place in here whatsoever, but Eschbach has caused me to say something.

I'm curious, Esch, what you know about every woman's wants and desires. I'm curious as to how you presume to know that a woman who choses to work in the sex industry wants. She just doesn't know better, that stupid slut, right? Some man made her do it! Or she's poor and never grew up right!

Don't fucking presume that all women in the sex industry are mistreated, abused, coerced, or generally pissed on. There are women who have a choice, and they actually CHOSE this line of work. Like Shin said: you may find it distasteful, and you're entitled to that opinion, but you have no right to tell people what to do based on your perception of reality.

If prostitution was legalized, regulations could be applied to the sex industry to keep women more safe from the mistreatment, abuse, coercion and all that which you've mentioned.

And look. No matter how hard people try to repress the sex industry, it will always, always, always exist. Best to treat it like every other goddamn commodity than to pretend it doesn't exist and try to repress it away.

You don't get to mommy everyone. Sorry.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Pineapple.

I would like to know.

What makes selling sex any different than anything else.

Really. I would like a nice, concise rationalization as to why selling sex is taboo for everyone - not just yourself.

And "just 'cause it's sex" doesn't count as a rationalization.

How ya doing, buddy?

A little nonsensical dialogue you put together doesn't qualify as a rationalization, pineapple.

Please, try to make a coherent argument. You're making no sense. Why do you feel that sex is magic?

Once again, please explain what is so frightening about intercourse to you that you think there should be no price tag on it.

I'm also really fucking curious as to why you and so many other people think you can put a price tag on OTHER peoples' genitals, but I fear that trying to discuss this with you would cause your tiny brain to implode.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Tamburlaine

It is not that it is magic, but that it is a very personal experience.

For you, maybe. Why do you think you have the right to define this for everyone?

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Some of you guys have been arguing that it is just a physical encounter with no strings attached, and I fully believe it CAN be that, but it certainly isn't always. Many rape victims take a life-time to overcome what can be chalked up to a few moments of sexual intercourse. Sure, that isn't MAGICAL, but it sure is powerful, more than "just nerve endings and lube" like Pang puts it.

Of course you're going to bring rape into this! It's what you people DO. Even though it has nothing to do with consensual sex between two adults.

Look. No one is telling you to fuck without feeling anything. That's not anyone's position to define for you. At the same time, you have no position to tell others what they can and cannot do with their own genitals between consenting adults.

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I am all for prostitution in which women have a legitimate choice. As it is in today's society, I feel that many of the women that would resort to it would do so because they have had no other opportunities.

Ahahahhaa, man. You know, a lot of people work at Walmart because they have no other opportunities. Walmart has really POOR employment practices. In fact, a LOT of companies have very poor employment practices. Why are you picking prostitution as the arguably exploitative employment opportunity alone, here? Because it involves tits and vag, and not the IRS or payroll? What defines your retarded arguments, exactly?

Women AND men (did you forget that men whore themselves out, too??) have choices.

In a world where prostitution is LEGAL, they have even more choice and more protection than they do in the world YOU seem to want for them.

Are you really this dense.

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If our government can spend a trillion dollars on the Iraq war, 3 trillion bailing out banks, and another trillion in medicare, then why can it not give better opportunities to these women? Now, once those opportunities are in place, the women can become prostitutes and do whatever they want. I just think that there wouldn't be as many.

Wait.

So you think -BY DEFAULT- if a woman should want to be a prostitute, she doesn't know any better and has no other choices in life?

You're an idiot. Do you KNOW any women? At all?

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Tamburlaine

No. I do think that giving prostitutes other opportunities would drastically decrease the number of prostitutes because prostitution is (probably) tough, gruesome, degrading work. Maybe it is pure glamor though.

So how are you concluding this, exactly?

Just 'cause?

I mean, that seems to be the argument here on a whole.

"Why do you think this? Can you rationalize it?"
"Just because, jeez"
"wow, okay."

I really do want you to justify "tough, gruesome, and degrading."

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Tamburlaine

Look, I have already said that I want prostitution to be legal. I well conceive of some people who even enjoy being prostitutes, although I think that that is probably a minority.

See, Tamburlaine, I think that whenever you hear the word prostitute, you think of the street-walking, coke addict, abused women that you solicit on a Saturday night downtown who ARE in fact taken advantage of by not only their johns, but by the police.

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When prostitution is legalized, it would be good if efforts were put in place to give women in urban and rural areas opportunities other than prostitution. I do have a problem with it becoming the profession that impoverished people default into. A young girl or boy in a rural area may only have prostitution as viable work in order to survive. That seems to be exploitative to a cruel degree.

Do you disagree with that?

Yes, very much.

There are women -and I say this from personal experience- who would be HAPPY to chose prostitution if only it was legal. Women who are NOT impoverished and/or abused. They're very intelligent women who think that it's a fair way to make money. I know at least 2 with whom I've had conversations about it, and they have made it very clear that if it was legal and if they were protected by law and were permitted to work in a legal establishment of their choosing (like any other job), they would drop what they're doing and become a prostitute right away. It's the oldest (and one of the most lucrative) jobs in the history of man - job security is almost guaranteed provided you're good at what you do (LIKE IN ANY OTHER JOB)

Again, you're thinking of the MINORITY of prostitutes who actually walk the street and get the shit beaten out of them because they have to feed their kids. Those women need options, yes. But then, so do a lot of people who aren't associated with prostitution. So let's not just assume that ONLY STREET-WALKING HOES need "options."

I assure you, they are NOT the majority. Do some research. The majority of the prostitutes out there are not suffering.

So before you start saying "prostitutes have no options," do some fucking homework.

Of course, not all women think prostitution would work for them. And that's totally cool. I don't think being an accountant would work for me, SO I DON'T FUCKING DO IT. See how that works. I don't outlaw accounting because I think it's a tough, gruesome, degrading job.

I don't actually have anything against accounting or accountants. ;_;

There's nowhere I can't reach.

See, Tamburlaine, what you need to do is explain what you mean by "options." I think there's only one meaning in this situation, but I'm curious to see what you come up with.

But hey, feel free to post links to youtube videos instead of actually arguing your position. That always works.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Not within city limits, Deni.

I think the closest town to Vegas for legal whores is Pahrump

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Tamburlaine

...people would not have to resort to being prostitutes.

"Resort to."

Did it occur to you that some people actually want this type of work?

Why do you assume prostitution is a necessarily bad occupation (if it was legal)? The illegal factor is what makes it dangerous right now, you dolt. And like we've all said: we know women who wouldn't mind doing it for a living. Some would actively seek it out because it's what they PREFER to do for a living.

Also, what Shin said.

I'm absolutely baffled at this idea that women will "have to resort to" prostitution if it was legal. I mean, the women who actually WANT to do it will flood the market, and will probably do their job better than the ones who don't WANT to be there. So, you know, it's almost like the ones who shouldn't be there WON'T be there because they won't be able to make a living at doing a half-hearted job.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Tamburlaine

But saying prostitution is a way out of poverty for anyone is retarded.

ONCE AGAIN, you're thinking only of the MINORITY of hoes who walk the street. Just sayin'.

Are you neglecting to think of the MAJORITY of prostitutes who actually make bank? And when I say "make bank," I mean a hell of a lot more money than the average person. (College girls are usually the ones who benefit the most)

I think, once again, you need to do more research before you start typing.

Like Shin said: either you're woefully ignorant on the topic entirely, or you're a moron.

Which one is it, Tamburlaine?

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Originally Posted by Tamburlaine

My fucking God. Sass, I have compiled a list of times I have agreed with you:

Yet you keep going on about how people shouldn't have to "resort" to it. Like it's career suicide or something. Baffling.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Tamburlaine

When you are 18, and you need to support your family, and prostitution is the only thing around, you might do it even if you don't want to. I think that is exploitative. That's it. Maybe I am a fucking moron or something.

If I am 18 and I need to support my family, I may have to work at Walmart, even if I don't want to. I think that's exploitative.

C'mon, Tamburlaine. It's not like renting your pussy out (even if it was legal!) is the only option for a woman who needs money.

Don't be ridiculous.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

goddamnit you assholes

i wanted to talk about titties for sale

and you're talking about TEST SCORES

what the fuck

Jam it back in, in the dark.