HAY GUYS

I poked it and it made a sad sound · Dec 9, 2007, 06:43 PM

I don't know why everyone is bitching about the "religion" being taken out of it. There wasn't even direct references to religion in the books.

I think the movie had about implication of the allegory as the book did (the first one anyways).

I saw it over the weekend. I was not pleased. The plot was incredibly rushed. They should have possibly extended the length of the movie from it's 1h50m run time to maybe 2h20m+ to at least give the clueless audience who hadn't read the book an idea of what the fuck was happening.

My best friend Sarah and I read the books - Chris had not. Chris was completely lost with the whole Dust thing ("what the hell was the point of mentioning it?") since they really didn't involve it too much in the whole movie. It was unclear as to why Lyra and her crew were running all over the place - no one knew what the fuck was going on.

The characters weren't very developed, the story was hacked into pieces and re-arranged. While the acting was acceptable, the screenplay was horrific.

It isn't EXTREMELY different from the book - just re-arranged a little and edited for time constraints, I imagine.

I also hated how they ENDED it. I had seen in trailers that they were going to INCLUDE the Northern Lights bit at the end where Asriel and Coulter dance around after slicing Roger's daemon away from him.

The only showed Lyra and Roger aboard Scoresby's airship with Iorek at the end, flying away into happy land.

Awful, awful, AWFUL way to end it - ESPECIALLY if they had any intentions of continuing the series in the film medium. (Which I doubt they'll be able to do after this)

How ya doing, buddy?

I poked it and it made a sad sound · Dec 9, 2007, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by CelticWhisper

Sass - There were direct references to religion in the books, but it didn't start until midway through book 2 and especially in book 3. It gets heavy about when the two angels are introduced.

Yea, I've read them all. The "angels" weren't angels in a Biblical sense, though. I kinda hated 'em in the book(s). Stupid little gits who answered to the least religious person in the series. (Asriel, wasn't it)

There was, though, very little direct reference (if at all) to religion in the first book. You're supposed to catch it in between the lines.

Like C.S. Lewis. Of course, I was a kid when I read the Narnia series, but he never directly wrote about what his series was a parallel to.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I poked it and it made a sad sound · Dec 10, 2007, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by KrelEN

HUH. I don't know if Pullman was forced to pussify the American version of the trilogy, but it was definitely there. Especially in the last chapter. You know, when Asriel's talking about castration and original sin. And quoting Genesis. Seems pretty damn direct to me.

I do not recall this at all. For real. I am going to have to check my version (which is in my truck in the snow at the moment).

I will report back, but honest - I don't remember it at all. It wouldn't shock me if we have a pussified version. ;_;

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.