Parental rights denied by 9th Circuit Court

Originally Posted by Devo

Yup and last time I was in school they literally give all kids a slip that basically says, "We're having sexual education on ____ date at ____ time if you do or don't want your child to attend check the appropriate box and sign."

Actually, when I was in fifth grade, they DID do that. >_>

We literally had to get a permission slip signed to take a sex ed/health class. It was taught by the lesbian gym teacher. No joke.

And I don't have a problem with this letter (in the article...thing)

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The Palmdale School District is asking your support in participating in
a district-wide study of our first, third and fifth grade children. The study will be a part of a collaborative effort with The California School of Pro-
fessional Psychology — CSPP/ Alliant International University, Chil-
dren’s Bureau of Southern California and the Palmdale School District.

The goal of this assessment is to establish a community baseline mea-
sure of children’s exposure to early trauma (for example, violence). We
will identify internal behaviors such as anxiety and depression and exter-
nal behaviors such as aggression and verbal abuse. As a result, we will be
designing a district wide intervention program to help children reduce
these barriers to learning, which students can participate in. Please read
this consent letter and if you agree, please sign and send it back to your
school’s principal no later than December 20, 2001.

Personally, I would do the homework on the CSPP and be sure they're legit. (which I am sure they are.)

I would sign that. I imagine they're not idiotic and they'll hold themselves in good taste with administering an evaluation. This is coming from a person who doesn't trust doctors.

I am sure they're not going to ask first graders anything terribly graphic - its more than likely geared towards a first grader's mind. These are psychologists. Not pedophiles. They're doing your community a service.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

After carefully reading all of this document, theres really absolutely NOTHING these parents could get upset about.

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The children were asked to rate the following activities, among others, on a scale from “never” to “almost all the time”: “Bad dreams or night-
mares,” “Feeling dizzy,” “Wanting to yell at people,” “Wanting to hurt other people,” “Trying not to have feelings,” “Can’t stop thinking about something bad that happened to me,” and “Wanting to kill myself.” Ten of those questions were about sexual subjects.

The second part of the survey is
labeled “Bialer-Cromwell LC Scale (Modified).”

These questions concentrate on the child subject’s perception of other
people and the external world. The third part follows the same
format as Bialer-Cromwell, but the questions focus upon:

8. Touching my private parts too much
17. Thinking about having sex
22. Thinking about touching other people’s private parts
23. Thinking about sex when I don’t want to
26. Washing myself because I feel dirty on the inside
34. Not trusting people because they might want sex
40. Getting scared or upset when I think about sex
44. Having sex feelings in my body
47. Can’t stop thinking about sex
54. Getting upset when people talk about sex

These seem like valid questions to me. I don't know.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Wesker

The problem here, as I see it rests with the subject matter. Science, math, English, etc are valid subjects, usually without a moral bearing one way or the other. Inquiring as to a childs sexual thoughts, teaching certain sexual matters as normal when they perhaps are not for many people, well, this crosses the line.

Did you even read the article.

Sex was actually not even a big issue on the survey. It was sparsed in with questions about violence, interactions with others, and feelings that would raise an alarm in ANY parent's head.

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I find it interesting the idea put forth by the court that parents have no "exclusive Constitutional right" to the education of their kids. Taken to its logical conclusion that though would end homeschooliong and private schools and mandate government approved brainwashing..i mean "education".

Its not like a bunch of amateurs performed these surveys. It was COMPLETELY anonymous, it didn't ask anything terribly inappropriate or graphic, and it was done by tasteful professionals from what I read.

If you can't accept that an institution is surveying your kids and the subject of your kid's peepee is going to come up, send them to a private religious school. I don't see why the state schol cater to pansy-ass parents who can't talk assess their own child's feelings or feel "uncomfortable" that their kid is going to be asked about psychological evaulation questions which MAY JUST INVOLVE their body.

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And what sick pervert is studying how many times a frist grader considers matrubation...thats just sick.

A first grader doesn't even know what "masturbation" is.

These are not pedophiles. They are PSYCHOLOGISTS. Wow.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.