Theological Discussion

Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland

Anyone else laughing at all the people who said, "Oh, religion is fine as long as the person doesn't try to push their beliefs on me"?

I don't know about Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, etc, but you guys do realize that a big part of Christianity is evangelism, right? If you're involved with a "Christian" who never tries to help you accept Jesus, they're not much of a Christian. So what you're really saying is that you don't mind dating people who claim to be Christians although they don't practice the teachings of Jesus.

I dont know what church you're attending, but I think you're making gross generalizations based on your own denomonational teachings.

I was part of the Catholic church for many years. They didn't tell us to push our shit on other people.

If you guys want to get all touchy-feely with your Lord and Savior, go for it. But don't preach to us about it.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland

I'm Lutheran, and we're not taught to PUSH our "shit" on anyone. There's a huge difference between pushing and gently suggesting when God gives you an opening to do so.

I know Catholics, madam. Plenty of them. And I can tell you that you must have fallen asleep during the part where they told you that it is your responsibility to try to bring others to Christ.

Alice.

How many of the population do YOU think doesn't know who Christ is.

If they wanted to live with Christ in their lives, they would.

I find it profoundly disrespectful when people think they need to inform others of "THE GREAT SUPER CHRIST." Maybe its me, but I see it as a form of condescension.

Human beings naturally think a lot about religion. It's in their nature. I expect people to form their own opinion about God, religion, and everything involved. I don't think its anyone's responsibility to push an agenda. You don't think its a little ODD that there's a built-in mechanism in your religion which makes it spread?

You know, like polygamy with the Mormons? Anything to get more supporters of a church.

And yea, I went to plenty of masses. And while a lot of them were given in LATIN, I think New England takes a different stand on religion than the South does.

Alice, the Bible says a lot of stupid things:
“If a woman grabs a man's privates during a fight, her hand is to be cut off. (Duet 25:11,12)”
- The eating of fat is prohibited forever. (Lev 3:17)
- You cannot round the corners of your beard or the hair on your temples. (Lev 19:27)
- Witches should be killed. (Ex 22:18)
- The congregation was to be a bastard free zone. The Bible was so dead set against bastards that their children, even to the tenth generation, could not enter the assembly of the Lord. (Duet 23:2) This is in keeping with God's principle of punishing children for the wrongdoings of their parents.
- Handicapped people could not approach God. Their presence would profane his sanctuary. (Lev 21:16-23) This scripture single-handedly offends almost every category of handicapped persons you can name. The blind, lame, injured, hunchbacks and dwarfs are specifically named. If anyone is left out, the catchall phrase "anyone with a blemish" is thrown in to cover them. I guess in Israel, the handicapped parking stalls were at the far end of the parking lot.
- Entrance into the assembly of the Lord was granted only to those with complete testicles. (Duet 23:1) Now, I will admit that keeping one's testicles in tact is a pursuit worthy of some attention, but I have to ask: What went on in the "assembly of the Lord" that required a complete and full set of testicles? And, since testicles are usually not on display, was there someone at the gate assigned to check?
- Anyone working on the Sabbath is to be killed. (Ex 35:2) This law was to protect the sanctity of Sunday afternoon football. Unfortunately, any player that touched the ball would have to be killed after the game, because he had touched a dead pig. (Lev 11:7,8) That would certainly make it easier to play defense.
- Menstruating women and everything they touch are unclean. The only cure for this uncleanness was for the priest to kill a couple of pigeons. (Lev 15:19-30) What could be more logical?
- If a couple has sex during the woman's period, the two are to be cut off from their people. (Lev 20:18) Once again, how would anyone know that this had happened? The couple is obviously not going to tell. Maybe the genital inspector from the temple made house calls.
- Women were officially second class citizens. They were considered possessions that were owned, (Prov 12:4) and were officially subordinate (1 Cor 14:33,34).
- Homosexual men were to be executed. (Lev 20:13) No mention is made of homosexual women.
- If a woman grabs a man's privates during a fight, her hand is to be cut off. (Duet 25:11,12) Now, is it really necessary to have this law on the books? You get the impression that the person who was writing the laws had recently experienced this and was still a little pissed off.
- False prophets are to be killed by their own parents. (Zech 13:3)
- Stubborn children were to be stoned, and the stoning was to be instigated by their parents. (Duet 21:18-21)
- And whatever you do, don't ever, ever, ever, pee against the wall (1 kings 16:11 KJV). OK, I know. The phrase "anyone who pees against the wall" is just a euphamism for men. I just couldn't resist this one.

Don't pick and chose.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Minion

Okay Sass, that's great, but have you even read those books? I like how when people quote the "stupid things" the Bible says, they always look to the books that they have the smallest possibility of understanding.

Yea, its nice to pick and chose things, right?

RIGHT.

I have read the goddamned Bible. Its really dry, really BORING, and really CONFUSED. I'm not a fan of it. It offers some good moral codes, when its not contradicting itself and making OUTLANDISH remarks!

Don't act like you need a primer to read the fucking thing, Minion. Its written for idiots to read it.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland

No offense, but it's more important to me as a Christian to do what is expected of me than to strive not to "condescend" or be disrespectful to people.

I think maybe you're buying into a pyramid scheme without even knowing it.

The Ancients were pretty smart.

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Don't get me wrong, here. I am NOT one of those bible thumpers who pulls out scripture as a response to all of life's trials and threatens and pressures and attempts to scare people into becoming a Christian. But there have definitely been moments - admittedly not many, but a couple - where I've felt God's presence and have strongly felt that He was telling me that the moment was right to talk to someone about Jesus. So that's what I did. I hope it didn't offend anyone or make them feel condescended to, but if it did, so be it.

Have you ever studied psychology? Just curious.

O, look. Minion hates it when someone disagrees with him!

Originally Posted by Minion

Why don't you try to make an argument form you own mind instead of doing cut a paste job, which is basically spam?

I've made an argument for my own mind. I didn't JUST copy and paste. I DID copy and paste to save time. I am not going to go through every WEIRDO quote from the Bible, sir. I work for a living.

Now stop getting uppity because I don't believe in your white magic. We all know who Christ is, and we'll all believe if we're so inclined.

And yea, HEBREW. Do you know anything about Hebrew? Its a pretty DIVERSE language! Not so easy to translate!

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Minion

How 'bout you stop spamming with your cut and paste bullshit? I can do the same thing. What would that make this argument but a pile of shit-spam?

DIDN'T I JUST ADDRESS THAT ABOVE?

Or are you looking for an excuse to spam? If you want me out of your conversation and you want to circlejerk about Christ for a while, let me know!

Did you NOT NOTICE the rest of my post? Or are you just really upset that someone may DISAGREE with your religion and the values it presents?

You have this MAJOR PROBLEM with accepting what other people believe. Man. You live on a PLANET where theres more than ONE right answer! CALM YOURSELF. Jesus.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Minion

You're pretty thick, arentcha? How is that one trick pony working out for you? Anytime I open my mouth in a way that you disapprove of, it's because I can't tolerate your beliefs, right? You poor thing.

What? You're the one who disapproves of my beliefs. Talking to you about religion is like talking to a rock about the ocean.

I know you can TOLERATE my beliefs. We're friends, aren't we?

I just don't like how if I disagree with you, post some interesting things (which I didn't have the TIME to type up myself, since god forbid I have a job), and you subsequently throw a fit because I did that.

You didn't even bother addressing the points made. YOu just sat there shouting at me about GOD WHY ARE YOU PASTING THINGS.

I am just saying that it seems - IT SEEMS - that SOME Christians - not ALL - tend to ignore the rest of the Bible and pick and chose what they feel is right and wrong. AND THATS FINE! ABSOLUTELY FINE! Just ADMIT that the Bible says some FUCKED UP SHIT~

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Whatever, I'm outta here.

Maybe now we can talk about dating and religion again?

I am curious, though - would you ever date a non-Christian? Maybe a Jew or something? Maybe we can start the conversation over again, here, without the religions righteousness on either side. ;_;

Minion, are you going to keep trolling me or what. Just let me know.

Alice, I don't care what testament its from. You believe in it, don't you? I mean, otherwise, why both keeping the two testaments together? They are BOTH books of God.

Are you going to tell the Jews they're wrong, too? =/

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland

*cough* Yes.

I mean, obviously I think they are. Otherwise, I'd be Jewish, right? They don't believe in the one dude that is their very salvation. How can I believe that what Jesus said is true (that He is the only way to Heaven) and not think the Jews are wrong? My political correctness only stretches so far, Sass.

And the Buddhists? And the Muslims? They're all going to hell?

Points for being honest though! <3

I just can't understand that mentality. I can not even CONCEIVE of being so....judgemental about other religions.

Why do you think your religion is the right religion when there are so many of them out there? Who is to say one is more correct than the other, WITHOUT human intervention?

I mean, you can see how silly it all sounds to me, right?

ADDITIONALLY, and more IMPORTANTLY:
I don't mean to condescend, if I am. I enjoy having a good conversation about religion, so long as it stays civil. If I offend you, I am sorry - and I apologize.

Just, you know. I don't tell you guys about the super great benefits of being a naturalist. I don't wish others would convert. I just want everyone to find their own path - no matter how different from my own.

Can you lend me the same favor?

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland

And that's been the very hardest hurdle for me to overcome as a Christian. I have a hard time understanding all that myself. I'm not a biblical expert like Minion, but Jesus was very clear about it. He said that there's only one way into Heaven and that's through Him. It's not being judgmental, really. You either believe in Jesus and what he said, or you don't. It's pretty simple.

Why would you believe in a man who said something so horrible? I am sorry if that sounds mean, or critical, but don't you think those are KIND OF war words?

I hope you see what I am saying, here.

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I guess a "better" Christian wouldn't struggle with those very questions you asked me, but I do and I always have. That's one of the main things I can't wait to find out an aswer to when I get to Heaven.

What makes you so sure you're going there?

Not that I am implying anything. I am just curious to see how you conclude that:
A.) There is a heaven
B.) You're getting in there, dude.
C.) Its really a totally awesome place to be.

I mean, if it had a bunch of people who said Jews were totally wrong - as well as everyone else - I would totally go hang out with the other guy, you know? ^_^

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland

Jesus only did as He was told.

So we should do the same, according to the Life of Jesus?

Now I see why you guys voted for Bush. ^_^ (ITS A JOKE. CALM DOWN)

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And there were times when He wasn't so thrilled with his job, let me tell you. It wasn't His big idea, by the way - it was His lot in life. It was the idea of the God of the Jews to make Jesus the only way into Heaven. Is it His fault that His own people rejected Him?

Can we talk about Mohammed yet? I'm Jesused-out. He's a pretty boring guy.

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I have no choice but to believe that, if I believe in Jesus and his teachings, which I do.

You do have a choice. But whatever. I'm not going to preach to you about it. =/

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See, that's the beauty of it. Getting into Heaven doesn't have anything to do with anything you do or don't do. All it takes is for you to accept that Jesus is what He said He was, and that He died for us so that we could have eternal life in Heaven. That's it.

Is THAT what they're telling you these days?

So I guess those commandments are pretty null and void anymore. ;_; I kinda liked those.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by SMX

Am I the only person reading this and going in the back of my mind, isn’t it just a tad supercilious of the human race to conceptualize an entity that can create an entire universe as physically anthropomorphic. Or, does the various references of “he” in this thread isn’t to be taken in a literal context? I seriously can’t tell with Christians most of the time.

Thats another part of the silliness of it all.

The universe, we imagine, is centered around us. Its the way humans think. Everything is here for us. Maybe we're just the only animals on the planet that have the ability to reason and use logic to such levels. Maybe thats why we have the superiority complex. Its a curse if you ask me. ;_;

Scientists once thought that the sun spun around us, too. Oops. They were wrong.

We are not the center of everything. The sooner we learn this, the sooner we can make a little progress. ;_;

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland

Would you prefer "It"? I fail to see what difference it make whether we refer to God as "He" "She" or "It."

It would explain the psychology of a person who cast a perfectly good angel out of Heaven for trying to advance himself in the ranks of Heaven.

It's not like angels are easy to come by. I think God must be a man. He sucks at politics. ;_;

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Minion

Everything you say about God is a metaphor, including the pronoun "he" because He is, by definition, unlike anything in the natural world and therefore outside of our combined experiences and beyond literal description.

I guess you should take the Bible as a metaphor, then. =/

Fyodor - I was taught that Satan was a fallen angel. I don't know what Bible you're reading.

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Satan wasn't trying to advance, Sass. He was trying to take over.

Who can blame him? With a dude like God in power, I would try to take over, too. Telling people weird shit. Come on. If you want to convince people, you've got to make the story believable!

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It was a failed coup, essentially. God gave him power second only to His own and because of pride, he believed that he was actually stronger than God and wanted to destroy Him. He failed and paid for it, along with the 1/3 of the angels who followed him.

Thats fucking awesome, dude.

But, you know, theres no such thing as pure good or evil. I bet Satan is a fucking softy.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Minion

I wonder if anyone is going to make serious use of this thread or if I should just flush it.

I AM making serious of it! It's not my fault I have to sugar coat everything to not offend the Christians!

I mean, man. You're lucky I'm not a JEW.

If there was ever a religion I've thought about picking up, its Judaism. Just for the awesome fucking traditions. ;_;

Seriously. Don't flush this. You'll need it in the future when every OTHER conversation turns into a theological debate!

And I don't see whats wrong with discussing Satan. Why can't we talk about Satan, Minion? He is like, God's arch nemesis! HE EXISTS to piss off God! Can you tell me more about Satan? Isn't your job as a Christian to tell me about him?

C'mooooon. *tugs at Minion's shirt*

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Minion

You forgot to raise any sort of serious point amid your jokes.

What jokes?

Are you seriously refusing to tell me about Satan? I want to know why he decided to storm off like a baby and pitch his own camp just to piss of God.

What kinds of morals does Satan uphold?

Seriously. He's a part of Christianity. Why can't you tell me about him? ;_;

(I am being 100% serious)

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Minion

Well, he acts that way because he really believes he's better than God. He's not dumb; he's just really, really, proud. He has a kind of pride which is completely blinding. The kind that would even make you wince.

So is that, like, his only REALLY BAD trait? I thought there were seven of those horrific sins. He's not, like,a fat, slovenly, lusty devil? Because, you know, I thought he was supposed to be everything God wasn't - the extreme opposite. Like, you know, PURE EVIL. But he was just too proud? And he wanted to take over for God? He didn't actually HURT God?

So I guess pride is the worst sin of all?

So 1/3 of Heaven's angels went with the dude? Wow. Thats a pretty big number. He must have had SOMETHING going for him. Otherwise, no one would have gone with him!

Also: Its probably not good to be proud about your religion, then? I mean, uh. You guys are going to scream at me and Minion is going to say mean things to me, but uh. God is pretty fucking proud if he tells you he's the only right dude out there. =/

FELIPE NO

So we can talk about Buddhism or Islam instead?

I mean, THEOLOGICAL is a broad term.

Minion, maybe you should turn the name of the thread into "Worshipping Jesus Thread?" I thought we were free to discuss any topic of religion we wanted?

If not, the title is very misleading! I am sorry to have expressed wanting to talk about Satan!

NOW. BACK ONTO THE TOPIC AT HAND!

Originally Posted by Fyodor

Well, this is actually a big misunderstanding that early Catholic culture has created amongst the popuular understanding. They tried to discretize everything into completely black and white perceptions. The understanding of the devil has followed along with this trend, and has created in the popular mind a sort of artificial dualism between God and the devil.

But, I mean, it seems like Satan himself can hardly compete, you know? He only has one BIG flaw - he's proud. Or so you guys are telling me? I mean, does he have more faults?

Thats why I was asking what kind of morals Satan upholds - if its even documented. You'd think it would be. He's a good device to use in order to frighten people into going tohe path of God and Jesus, right? But, I mean, does it say anything about what he was like beforehand? If he was God's right hand man, then he must have been a pretty good dude.

I don't get this. ;_;

Originally Posted by Fyodor

Well, he is the only right dude out there, and thus has every right to be "proud." The reason why we shouldn't be proud is because there will always be one who is better than us.

Holy shit, man. GOD can be proud? But we CAN'T be?

What kind of hypocrisy is this? A Good Leader should always set the example for his people! O_O

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In the scope of everything, we have no right to be prideful, for, even though compared to other people, we might be awesome, compared to God, we are as bad as the lowliest persons.

This sounds so Catholic, its not funny. ^_^

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Minion

I just thought it would make sense if we talked about one thing at a time, but Sass will have her way.

What? I AM talking about one thing. You're the one pouting about it! I have QUESTIONS about CHRISTIANITY! Shouldn't you be jumping at that opportunity? ;_;

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God leads the same way a parent leads. There are rules for us to follow that He doesn't have to. Your parents give you a bedtime when you're a kid, but that doesn't mean it's their bedtime too.

But parents aren't always right. Your metaphor is flawed.

And I am talking about Satan, here. I know how God leads. I want to know what makes Satan such a BAD DUDE!

I am 100% serious here, Minion. What makes him so god awful?? So he's proud - you said that. Is he anything else? I mean, did he take up all the worst habits once he was kicked into hell with his buddies? Just to piss off God? What does Satan support?! Inquiring minds need to know! And who better to ask??

(LeHah, I've read Anton LaVey. I know. But thats a bunch of bullshit too, since it exists only to counteract the Church. "HEY! We're here just to SPOOK THE CHRISTIANS! WE ARE OUR OWN GOD. WOOOO Lets have a RITUAL SACRIFICE, even though we DONT EVEN BELIEVE IN THIS SHIT!" I loathe LaVey.)

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Fjordor

Like I said, God has the right to be "proud."

You're not addressing how blatantly hypocritical it is, sir. EDIT: You did. Okay.

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And I do not care if it sounds catholic or not. I think it is a basic understanding of theology. It is not hypocricy either, since the problem with pride is the fact that you have no right to be proud.

Ah. THere we go.

Of course we have the right to be proud.

If you're a good Christian, God will send you to heaven! Isn't THAT AWESOME? Aren't you PROUD that you can live your life like a good Christian??

Aren't you PROUD God favors you over people like me? Don't you deserve Heaven?

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There is always someone better than you, so don't act like you are Him.

Define "better."

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To be prideful is to almost act as if you are as good as God. the same type of thing goes with killing people. God has the right to decide who lives and who doesn't, because he knows everything.

But Alice and Minion just told me that you can kill a person and get into Heaven! This makes no sense, Fyodor! ;_;

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He is the arbiter of life. If someone were to murder someone else, then he would be attempting to usurp the role of God, deciding who lives and who doesn't, and that is clearly a no-no. Just like Satan is believed to have wanted to usurp God. And he paid dearly for it.

WELL SHIT. Sounds like you can be a murdered and you CANT get into Heaven! You were playing God!

Can SOMEONE PLEASE tell me if I murder someone, whether or not I can get into Heaven if I accept the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ into my black little heart?

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However, as for someone setting a good example for his people, what do you think Jesus did? He came, and did exactly that. And then some as well.

Jesus isn't God, dude. He's apparently the SON of God. Or, if you're Catholic part of the whole TRINITY thing, but that makes even LESS sense to me, so lets not bring that stuff up. ^_^

God shouldn't send a messenger to tell us shit. If he wants to set a good example, he shouldn't say "HEY. YOU. You can't be proud, but I CAN!" Thats, like, such blatant hypocrisy, its laughable. I would NEVER follow a dude who said that to me. ;_;

NEEDS MORE SATAN.

Originally Posted by Minyun

Satan is actually nearly perfect in every way. His flaw is his pride, yes. His inability to comprehend that God is greater than him and that he needs God. Actually, it's a flaw that's pretty common among people. Thinking that they have everything under control when they really don't. Too proud to admit that they need help.

Looks like his business is booming, though.

How did Satan need help? He was the SECOND BEST to God! Holy crap, dude - I would be totally proud, too! I mean, pride is CONTAGIOUS, here. I mean, God didn't set a very good example for poor Satan. ;_;

ALSO: Shouldn't you, like, PITY Satan? Instead of shun him? Shouldn't you want to help him?

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That and rather than admit that he's wrong, he tries to ruin God's plan as much as possible and uses people for his own purposes. He actually enjoys your misery. Which is one thing that I find can make even a human being evil.

How do you know he enjoys misery?

Why would he care about a person like me, sir. I don't believe in God. Why would Satan care about me because of that? I am a neutral in both parties!

Thats awesome, though. He laughs when I cry. He sounds like the kind of guy I should look up to. STRENGTH. <3

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by LeHah

Hehehe, half-right. I think Feuerbach was more "Hey, stop this shit about there being a higher power if you can't support the idea with logic. Just be happy you are the highest power you know and get on with your freaking lives, foo"

Well, I mean, you can't prove either side of the fence with God.

Thats why we're sitting here over an eCoffee discussing Satan. And God. Because no one can prove shit.

Kinda like saying Pink Floyd sucks ass. A lot of people would disagree, but that doesn't make them right or wrong.

Do you have any links for this Feuerbach dude? Get some for AIM tonight.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Minion

Man, I really hate QuoteWarstm so, I'm just gonna do what I intended and respond to one point at a time.

You, sir, hate everything but Jesus Praise. =p

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He cares because God wants you in his camp. And there are only two camps, sadly. If you don't want to be with God, you end up in the other camp. Satan couldn't be happier than when someone doesn't care either way. Takes the burden of winning you over off his shoulders.

WHAT IF I AM MUSLIM?

I am TECHNICALLY on the Jedi Side. Just not batting for God and Jesus. More like Mohammed. My sponsor is a little different.

I still can not get over the fact that you people SERIOUSLY THINK that your religion is the ONLY RIGHT religion. Man. BOGGLES THE MIND. Thats not proud AT ALL!

(Dont get mad at me, Minion)

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Fyodor, I think you should whip yourself daily. I bet that would make God sure that you weren't full of nasty, stinking pride.

Whereas me? Most arrogant son of a bitch ever created. And I LOVE it. I'll send you a postcard from HELL.

(Seriously. This is insane. Being proud is a sin. Because O SHIT you may put yourself on the same level of GOD!)

So. What are your thoughts on free will, Fyodor?

Minion, you expect a Muslim to even BOTHER reading the Gospel? Why should they? It's against THEIR religion.

And, I mean, how can you say they're WRONG?! Muslims believe in the SAME FUNDAMENTAL IDEAS that you Christians do.

This is wars are started, man.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Minion

Actually, Jesus is in the Koran. Muslims feel the same way about Jesus that the Jews do. Most of the people in the Koran are in the Bible. I can't help but think that Mohammad ripped the Koran off of the Bible, frankly.

Who wouldn't acknowledge Jesus? He was a historical figure. I think he was a bullshit artist with a few tricks up his sleeves for the idiots, but hey. He was a pretty good dude. No one to worship, though. All those palms and bathing and stupid - ugh. Bothers me just to THINK about it. Prideless my ass.

Have you ever read the Koran, Minion? You may enjoy it. I think its a little more passionate than the Bible. Makes it sexier.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Minion

Uh, actually yeah I have read some of it and I own a copy. Haven't read it all, no. Have you?

Not all of it. But you'd be surprised.

I had this Jew in high school history class - Dr. Pulda. He converted, and made it a point to teach us EVERYTHING he could about the Koran. Our exposure was limited at the time, so he took it upon himself to teach us about it.

Whether or not it was RIGHT for him to teach it to us, I dont know. But I learned a lot about the religion and the Koran itself from him. We DID read passages in class.

He since died of cancer, I believe. I wonder if he went to Heaven or Jannah. Which are essentially the same place - "a place beautiful abode where, those who believe in only God, humble themselves to worship Him, do the good and avoid the evil, are promised to go after the end of this worldly life."

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by FallDragon

Last effort? It happened 2000 years ago, and it was His last effort? He seems to be giving up pretty damn early. And what's point of God revealing things to everyone if He then makes one of His religions completely exclusive, supposedly holding an absolute truth that no other religion has? Is it like He's teasing them with just enough truth so they keep their faith, only to find out they still go to Hell when they die since they weren't Christian?

This is actually how a lot of cults work.

And yea, in the scheme of the entire history of man and his beliefs, even MONOTHEISM is a fairly new idea.

Which makes it even MORE questionable as a religion. I think we should go back to worshipping Amen Ra. He made more sense.



Sun worship. Its logical, in a sense.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Wait. So. Is the BIBLE a metaphor?

How ya doing, buddy?