Women and porn

Alright, so. I hate to get involved in this, but I think the psychological implications with Jenna are a little more important than the religious ones. I've never really had too much respect for a girl who fucks for fame and cash.

First of all - who is anyone to judge anyone else when it comes to religion. Religion has become so intensely perverisfied from one sect to another that it doesn't even MATTER anymore.

I'm not going to sit here and argue scripture from the Bible, but I am pretty sure turning tricks for money and allowing the whole world watch something that is supposed to be "sacred" is frowned upon by any church.

Of course, the church doesn't designate who goes to heaven or hell, but they proclaim to be a good guide to getting into heaven.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by julia

I certainly won't disagree with you, Sass, that her profession is looked down on any church. Hell, even by non-religious people. Doesn't matter, apparently there is a lucrative career in porn. If the people aren't buying it, she sure wouldn't be making the money she does, no?

Because people are willing to buy it makes it alright? Thats certainly a capitalist point of view, Julia! ^_^

I am an atheist and *I* frown upon the behavior. I think it's immoral, I think it's greedy, and I think it indicates psychological problems. Maybe theres a common thread between my thinking and the church's. Maybe we all find it fundamentally wrong to do. But I am sure it can be argued either way.

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The church DOES designate who is going to heaven and hell. According to Southern Baptists and the Bible they use if you aren't saved, you are going to Hell. Simple as that.

And I am sure you can see where you can understand that not all churches OR religions think this way. I think that any church who decides something that GOD should decide is a crock to begin with. So. (And yea, I think the Southern Baptists have been in the sun too long. They aren't the end-all on religious authority.)

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Oh, also, if your name is in God's Book of Life, you are going to Heaven. Which means he knows you will eventually be saved.

Yea, thats ONE way to twist things. I grew up on the Catholic version - they don't have a Book of Life. (At least not that *I* ever learned about, and I did some heavy catechism back in my day) I guess that means that some religions make shit up - be it the Catholics or the Baptists, the Jews or the Muslims - you need to take it all with a grain of salt.

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How other denominations account for who is going to heaven and hell, I can't accurately answer that. Seeing as how Catholics believe in Purgatory, I'm not sure if that is a step up to Heaven or just a holding place to decide where you will eventually go.

Yea, they're all a bunch of crazy dudes hopped up on wine and the body of Christ. You should ignore what they say. ^_^

What I am trying to say is that personally, I don't try and live by what the church tells me to do. They're not my moral guide. Now, I can't say that EVERYONE should do that, but really. Let's be real - some churches would say "Yea, Jameson is cool so long as she accepts Christ into her life" and others will be all "DUDE, SHES GOING TO BURN."

It's all a bunch of arbitrary silliness.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by julia

I don't recall saying it was alright, though I personally don't see the problem with it. If they are a'buying, she'll be a'sellin'. Are you saying that all the people who watch porn have psychological problems as well? Really, isn't it about supply and demand? How is she being greedy?

Ah, I love when we can talk about whores, Julia. It makes my day. You're always so fun. <3

So you wouldn't have a problem if you had a daughter and she was a porn star? Or maybe a prostitute? You think thats great? You would wish her the best in porking a handful of different men daily? Or would you be happier for her if she chose another profession?

I am talking about the morality vs. the money. People will bend their personal rules for cash almost every day of the week. Its really pitiful if you ask me. I find it EXTREMELY immoral. Maybe you think it's alright - I don't.

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My bad ~ I should have stated I was using the Southern Baptists as only one example ~ or more so, the one I know best. And so I basically assumed this gentleman was of the Christianity faith, Baptist I would even bet, since that is the predominant religion in this country and they are fervent about Hell.

My apologies. I didn't mean to jump to conclusions about it.

(No one up here is really too fervent about hell, so it's kind of funny when I hear about preachers and all those clerics going on about FIRE and BRIMSTONE. Hilarity. It just seems to be an OBVIOUS scare tactic to me.)

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And you're right, it's all relative to what a religion believes. But my point was, and again, I'm assuming, but I doubt I'm wrong, if this man is a Christian, he is not supposed to judge.

Who are you to determine what a Christian would do. (I don't mean that to sound offensive.) I mean, seriously. None of you can judge anything, since a "good Christian" is like, totally gray area. No one can seem to AGREE on what a GOOD CHRISTIAN is. Kinda funny, that. ^_^

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by julia

Who am I to determine? I don't ~ I'm going by what the good book says a Christian should and should not do. And by God, God is one serious God when it comes to obeying his laws, no?

Ah, Julia. EVERYONE sees something different in the Bible. Apparently, you and the rest of the world all have different opinions! Makes life interesting, right?

I am going to BITE my tongue on my perspective on this one. ;_;

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Tehy basically thought I was a horrible mother to even possibly think I would not have a problem with him smoking pot.

Must be a regional thing.

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And guess what? I dealt with that very issue about 6 months ago while I was gone from GFF. I can't say that I jumped for joy when I found out; I was more upset in the manner of how it came to happen (long, boring story). But regardless, I have since then known about when he has drank and the times he has smoked pot because he tells me and doesn't sneak behind my back. I'm not sure if that makes sense to you or makes me sound leniant, but I guess I am pretty laid back about those things.

Like most things, it's easy to say what you WOULD do until it actually happens. The story changes a little when it happens to you.

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I just don't know what to answer to your daugher questions. Though I've never been paid to have sex, I've been with a lot of people in my 43 years, starting from the age of 19. Does that make me a bad person or a whore?

Depends on your motivations in sleeping with these men. ^_^

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Immorality is a tough issue~

Tough, but infinitely interesting, you've gotta admit.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland

The thing is, julia, we're ALL bad people. Every single one of us. And self-righteousness is just as big a sin as fornication. NO ONE is in a position to judge anyone else. That's for God and God alone to do.

O MAN JULIA. YOU'RE GOING TO HELL, YOU SELF-RIGHTEOUS BITCH.

Look at me. I am trying to be funny.

So wait. Fornication is technically a sin, now? Maybe I have confused the definition of "fornication," but isn't it essentially sex? Because if sex is a sin in Alice's church, man. We're all going to hell.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Gumby

The question is this, is it a sin? Also do you consider this immoral?

Uh, yea. It's still immoral. If anything, even worse.

So two idiots decide that their only option to make any money is to whore the wife out to make a buck.

So you're syaing that BECAUSE the husband (or whomever) says thats its OKAY to do, it's no longer IMMORAL? Because both parties AGREE that it's okay? Wow. Thats....uh....interesting.

Be careful what you say, buddy. I hope you don't actually THINK it's okay to do.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by ElectricSheep

A better question to ask is why it is immoral. It easier to simply label something as immoral/unethical/wrong than it is to explain why it is so. And I mean an explanation other than an appeal to authority (God says so, the Bible says so, the Law says so).

In this case, you're going to get into some deeper philosophy. People have questioned how we came up with the concept of "good" and "bad" since the beginning of reasoning.

Some people use religion, others use logic, others use what other people have studied. No one will have a straight answer for the world. It's a personal truth.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Denicalis

There's There are translation problems in the greek and hebrew.

Imagine if they mistranslated one simple word - how many others did they mistranslate? I mean, its plausible. Maybe they really wanted us to do nothing but have orgies all day long.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?