The Immigration Protests

First i would like to dive into my background though for a second, First im of a truly mixed background ( ethnically) My Father is of Mexican-Mestizo extraction where my mother had parents who were English/Dutch - And Irish/Cherokee(50%) - so I come from a diverse background More American than most being that i have more than a quater native american blood, and More american in the way that US here in America of mixed ethnicities represent what the future will look like ( that is once MTV has properly penetrated every society on earth).
Anyways on to the point WATTS - your assumptions are just that assumptions because it is a known fact that within a unemployment Rate % that u will always have a amount of people that wont work even if u gave them a job for $20 D/H - and the Rate of those is about half - so if u have 8 million unemployed u can Estimate from Research that has been done that 4 million wouldnt work if they where given a job. Also Dealing with the Flags me being of Latino decent i understand this - Latins like to display the country they came from, ive worked with illegals and have many friends who are latin imigrants including even my own family who mostly only speaks spanish, Thing is the hispanic culture is different and in this culture the country of their birth or Parents birth means alot. I dont take the flags being displayed as dissing america. The country is always important, I look Kinda white so people hear me talk spanish First Question most ask - What country are u from? Although i dont really see the relevance and importance in this, I find Ethnicity to be more of interest to me that Nationality.
Also the comment made a while back About Illegals Defrauding our nation by not paying taxes - Dont u think it is This country Defrauding the world by not using the greater part of our wealth to Educate Say People in Mexico So they would know how to build up their own country instead of immigrate here, Or how bout Fight Corruption in these countries, instead of setting up sweat shops to take advantage of poor people like our corporations do.
Bottom line - I think its insane that congress would even propose a bill to make illegal immigration a Felony. Lets see A person wants to work and make his familys life better than what they can get in thier own country so HEY lets make Them Felons and lock them in prison, Sound pretty fair to me. And wether or not u like it this country was founded on Illegal Immigration and Destruction that caused the death of millions of My kin ( which was caused by the other half of my blood). I personally see nothing wrong with someone trying to improve their situation - and if Them doing this Means crossing a Border - then do U think they would Care What you or I have to say - i know i wouldnt sit around in a corrupt country and watch my children go without Proper education and stuff when i could cross a simple border and make thier lives 100 times better. Although this is not the intention of all illegals - The majority of the hispanic illegals i know ( i know lots and have some in Family) are trying to do this.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Thats ok its your opinion Night Phoenix to belive that. But Simply i dont think some old rich men on Capitol Hill have the right to Make Criminals, Felon status criminals at that for people Trying to better their lives. DO You? As i said i have alot of dealings with people who are of illegal status, Are they not Humans - Because they didnt have the privalage of being born HERE? Most i have met are honest and some of my best friends, work very hard, and have to deal with their children hating them for being Wetbacks or Illegals ( who are looked down upon) I had plenty of Friends like this and had this experience first hand growing up in a Strawberry Town in Central Cali. Alot of these peoples Children go on to college and accomplish things - should we strip them of this because thier parents came over a "BORDER" illegally? I only Wish my Parents worked as hard as some of these illegals do for thier children, and thier familys future.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I cee your point Night Phoenix , about breaking the laws, of the United States, Just that i think instead of focusing on criminalizing people who wish to come here , it should be made easier for people to come and work here and provide for thier families, and educate thier children, im not saying give them full citezenship but i cee nothing wrong with someone wanting to come work - NOW on the other hand i do see stuff wrong with MS13 and 18th STreet Gang members coming over and commiting crimes, and making life uneasy - I have had to deal with these MS13 members when i was younger(there is quite a few here in the DC metro Area), Luckly unless your affiliated with other gangs they usually leave u alone - but they are a problem none the less, I recall my Friend who was Puerto Rican From New York Actually had to leave school and be sent back to NEW York because there was rumors they would kill him if he went back to school, so the principal told him he would have to leave, and his
sis decided to send him back to new york.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

What do you consider more important Your Humanity or Your AMerican Citizenship?
Me personally my Humanity and connection with all people I dont feel better because im a American.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Gumby - They dont have a right to work here - Im sorry but me being a PERSON will not allow me to agree with you, My country the United States has a unfair share of Wealth,I dont believe some people are just entitled to this amount of wealth, Not even curing aids means u get to have so much more while others suffer, some people disagree though, I guess having millions in the bank - And buying 12 Cars, and having 6 houses is more important than educating your neighboor and fellow human beings. Y do they have no right to be here Are they not humans? - Their ancestors at least in part like mine where probably born here thousands of years before yours came here.

How ya doing, buddy?

Well God where u might not have had a problem because u could afford immigration, Do u think if people could easily do it and it was affordable they would risk their lives and pay a cyote thousands of dollars to do it - If it was so easy as u claim.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Le hah There is even some people who Claim the chineese landed in America before the vikings - what does this prove - Some people may have come over here from Europe to escape tyranny and get freedoms - But in the End Greed is what the main cause became - The rulers of the countries pushed to explore and take over land for Money and Power nothing more, And in doing this they nearly wiped a Race of people off the planet, of which only Mutts like me Exist, that carry any of the blood. This is all in the past though while interesting I dont let that affect how i think. I agree with the guest worker program, and the ideas put forth about that.
Skexis
Really DUDE. That is how i feel, I feel the obligation to educate all your fellow man is more important thatn whording wealth, Although this notion seems completely opposed to the every day AMericano Ideals. A better Educated society in whole would make class differences less important, and interactions with other educated people more worth while, than say Buying 10 cars - or throwing away money by having 15 TVs in a house that you cant possibly watch.

FELIPE NO

Le Hah - Heres a sad fact for you, U are in No way more mutt than me YOUR WHITE, I am not, while i share European ancestry maybe half if that. Bottom line i dont agree with American laws regarding immigrants, and its people who foster these elite ideas who will make it so man will never achieve a state of peace or anything for that matter, Your like American Fundamentalists. I mean u seem very smart, i respect some of your ideas while i dont agree with most but i respect them. But please dont make assumptions that Irish are a Race because if u look it up Clearly Irish has never been considered anything but white(Excluding Early America, and this is until they where accepted)Race is way to deep to get into here it would take many pages but i can Guarantee Irish is not a race They are part of the White Population( by the way my last name is McDevitt) so i am indeed part Irish decent i even have a wierd Red beard when it grows out with black hair kinda odd but anyways. And also dont compare the Greed of European Kings and Queens with people that where hunters and gatherers that followed their food supply. Although Greed is not exclusive to Europeans as u can See the Aztecs and Incas where not the Nicest of people.
Skexis - Your right in our society it will be unlikely to be done. That doesnt mean it shouldnt be done. Problem is people would never part with thier wealth - People honestly believe they are entitled to more than others - Granted a Doctor should not make the same wage as a Janitor, But shouldnt there be a line where one says i Have way too much maybe it would be better spent on others. Maybe a better educated soceity would have less crime and spend less time fighting over things like, religions, BORDERS, Race, and a bunch of other things.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

God u take being white personal dont you - i didnt decide this look it up. I agree Irish had diffirent culture, values and such this does not make them a different race. Look up the Difference in Ethnicity, Race, Nationality, and you will cee what i mean. I am no Racist but your statement about me being a nigger sure makes u seem like a straight up Rainbow coalition Rep. But according to Early American Laws about the one Drop Rule anyone with one drop of african Ancestry was black, So Therefore according to DNA results i think it was about 30% of Americans who claim to be white had about 5% african blood, So therefore there is a large amount of us So called mutt mongrel niggers out there. Anyways man Honestly Race and Ethnicity and Ancestry and all that was a big issue i had when i was young and i did lots of research into it and am still fond of reading new developments about it, and new scientists ideas, and theories. I really dont want enemies and i didnt suspect u to get so violent - but in all honestly While Irish people do exhibit differences in culture, they are lumped into the White Race this no way diminishes the differences they have ( im fond of the music from Ireland actually), Maybe i said that in a wrong way before, so for that im sorry.

Niekon - Where do i cee this
Southern California is one of the places. I live in the DC Metro Area I can name numerous places i CEE it, How about langley highschool where children drive Bentleys to school. Or the houses ive worked on Where u can cee TV's in every room. One other place to cee it is Look at American Diets. About your statement on RACE. U should know there is no such thing as Latino Races ( latino is a subgroup often defined as a race, but it has many mixed ancestry ) In the Latino community it is better broken down into Nationalities, but even here u get problems because someone From Lebanon born in Mexico is now a Mexican - but is he Latino? - Is he hispanic ? Or his he Shakiras Brother? i dont know nobody has clearly defined these lines yet. Obviously Nationality wise he is mexican, Buth Ethnically he may not be, His ancestry sure isnt


Night Phoenix - U know what i was thinking the same thing Maybe Bush should start another Agency that would manage peoples Wealth Great Idea.
Actually though,Your right thats where the problem arises people would have to know themselves when too much is too much.

Ok to finish Lehah Sorry , U know i Agree with u about the WHite thing - White peopel are just lumped into one group, which is sad, Because alot of the diversity is unkown and there is alot. I dont really think this is the place to discuss Race though so ill leave it alone, maybe in another thread. And as far a immigration YES Its against the law - Should peopel be made Felons for Trying to Work In my opinion NO, Should the people already here be punished in My opinion NO - the government Shoudl make it easier for people to come here and work, and that is not easy - While it might be easy for some Rich person to come over and immigrate, some poor person without proper education would have a hard time trying to get into the country, thats why they risk their lives and pay thousands to come.

How ya doing, buddy?

Ok yea and you know everything Im sorry. I have read books and done lots of research on Race when i was younger im just now starting to read new theories on it. Also just because something is read on the internet doesnt make it wrong u can read books on websites - Show me how Irish people are a race and ill look into it, Which point did i make and said the internet told me so? Your just trying to discredit me because i said Irish are white, now i admit i said this in maybe a harsh way, but your gonna hate someone for that. Anyways Whatever If u want when i get a chance i can qoute u some stuff from books and from scientists that have researched it more than you or me that would clearly show IRISH people are not a Specific Race.
But u know maybe im wrong Irish people could have been dropped here by the hand of god and are destined to rule the universe - I know there was a white supermacist group i read about when i was in highschool that believed this, That had a pretty wierd interpretation of the bible also if i remember correctly.And yea my grammar sucks, I have never worked on it.

And About immigration I have stated only Opinions Not Points, They are opinions u either Agree with them or u dont. A opinion is not a point nor a Fact nor does it have to be based on Fact. U can take it for what it is.
And by the way alot of People with High IQ's Have poor Grammar and that - Just to let u know in 3rd Grade i was tested with a Reading level of someone with a 4 year degree from college, so i dont think my spelling has much to do with me proving anything - Fact is im not trying to i was stating opinions, and thats my point.

Double Post:
Gumby I can Spell Cee however i want its a old habit from a group i ran with when i was younger. I am a socialist your right - Yes i know what racist is i have lived it - No they dont need special help, but someone who is educated at a 3rd grade level will have a harder time getting into the country then a immagrant from a wealthy family and a college degree, y should the uneducated person not be able to come and work and let his children get what he never had? Y? Oh i forgot they are bottom scum sucking pieces of Shit. Y dont u join the military and beat up some Arabs, seems like that is what u want to do - Even better maybe u can get a job on the border and shoot some of my kin while they try to come work to support their families.
10 PTs for Children. I have a cousin i hate alot when u cee Aim for the Head his name is Yea u guessed it PEDRO

How ya doing, buddy?

How do i not know what rascisim is? Im not commy Im socialist. Yes i know who thomas edison Was. I dont agree with special rights only Equal - And your right i would never Defend Against someone who is not attacking me. Yea i bet your from a poor Family. Where did you grow up? MR american Elitist I hate anybody from the 3rd world because they werent born here - If u were born into a poor family i guess i can cee y u Drag this American thing to Death ITS THE ONLY THING U GOT. Im a human First, My American Nationality doesnt Sway the way i Think or the way i look at other people obviously yours does it Makes u better them. them. What SPICS Right. They are not Mexicos problem they are the worlds Problem dumb ass - A Person is a Person - Or am i wrong. There is a difference between letting people take advantage of your System and using A rather unequal share of wealth to Educate those who dont have all the oppourtunities we have here, U want to hear some sad stories go talk to some immigrants - U know who have to work from 6 years old - First grade education. And its not only Latin people look at the rest of the world. But hey maybe u are right Gumby. One thing i do think that is wrong is that the pope doesnt Advocate Birth Control - now that is one Major issue for Latin people in general, Especially Mexico.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Yea your right i dont take Much consideration for typing. Anyways ill try harder.
Gumby i think you are an AMERICAN Fundamentalist and thats that. I do not in anyway say that people crossing the border illegal should not be punished. I just think there should be a way for people to come here and work, and most of all i dont think they are scum for coming here. I think you are scum for hating people just for coming across your sacred border.

Cloud Nine - I do not understand what your response was. I never said working for money was taking advantage of the system. I stated that people are not entitled to huge sums of money, while others suffer. If you dont agree fine, but imagine being in one of those countries, Imagine being one of Gumbys pieces of shit, then maybe you would cee it another way. Or maybe you wouldnt either way its only my opinion.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

U know what dude ill give u that. I agree they should not be taunting people that is dumb, and ignorant. Your right, they should not be cutting in line there should be a good way for people to come here and work and hopefully someone finds the awnser. I know one thing i dont have it. I dont not however believe that people here already should be made felons, they should be regestered and allowed to work. I also dont believe they should be up protesting if they are here illegally they should be thankfull they havent been sent back. And not all those people are illegal, alot of immagrants from Central America have work visas.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Lehah your Read what i wrote about the illegal thing dumb ass. I said i DID NOT SAY they shouldnt be punished. And i never pissed on your Irish heritage ASS. Im part Irish y would i do that. U pissed on me by saying in a arogant manner, Im more mixed than you. I like the Irish culture its interesting especially the music, the fact that u say this makes me think you just want to HATE. I said sorry for the way i said it the first time, i suppose scince im a mutt nigger spic my apology doent count right. And no my Parents didnt really raise me right dick, they didnt really raise me at all, I guess thats what happens when a wetback takes advantage of a little white girl huh, people like me dont get proper training in life. So maybe your right we should all just be wiped out so people like you can have the earth to yourselves.

Double Post:
They are not Felons yet.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Very True.

You guys really hate me dont ya.

FELIPE NO

HAHAHA nothin man im sensitive.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Dick they cannot prsecute them for felony yet.
Your a real piece of work man maybe you should get the job picking off little kids running across the border, its in AmeriKKKas best interest right.

How ya doing, buddy?

Nice Graphic Styphon.
I suppose only time will tell what will happen with the border not our arguments. Anyways when are they supposed to vote or put this bill threw?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Zimarooski - I hang out with awesome Hispanics at my school, the smart ones.
What does that mean?
The Smart ones huh. Which ones are the dumb ones?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Good one ill Give ya that, its funny.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Not being in school doesnt mean your not Smart, not everyone has the chance to go to school. One of the guys i worked with From El Salvador ( dont worry Gumby and Lehah he had a work visa), used to tell me of his life back there. He said he started working at 6 helping his dad on the farm, and his parents could not afford to send him to school. Another guy i worked with jose who i respect alot, has been here on visas working for the past 10 years, also never got schooling as a child i wouldnt call him not smart, Even without schooling he has worked here very hard, bought his own house in El Salvador and will be making sure his children go to school. Im really happy for the guy.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Dude your assuming that the 7.4 billion spent would be spent to do something Right - Where in all reality if it wasnt being wasted as is, it would end up in some wealthy guys bank account. I Agree these protests are stupid and if your not legal u should be happy you havent been caught and go about your buisness, Not throw it in the face of the government. Dark link i dont cee a problem with the peso going up in value. Why is it bad to help Mexico improve its situation, it is one of our nearest neighboors. And the porblem with low skilled work is not illegal immigrants, Its unfair pay scales. In a world where a VP works 2 days a week and flies to his job 300 miles away for those two days of work and makes 300 times the average employee, There is the problem not illegal immagrants.

And Excuse the spelling some Bottingttons pub ale, Sam Light, And Newcastle - And some patron will make it hard to spell.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

True u are right this is about illegal immigrants protesting. And i do not think they should have done that, it was stupid. I actually have some friends here that are from El Salvador ( on Work Visas ) that also agree that it was stupid. Thing that i find odd though is that alot of these Salvadoreans came illegally then when they got here they where able to obtain work visas because of the situation in El Salvador. Im curious y they could not have obtained the visa prior to coming here to the USA.

FELIPE NO

I would like to cee the world u Describe DUO.
Too bad man will exterminate himself and the planet before that ever happens. It is nature to be greedy.
How long has Greed been a issue on this planet?

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?