[Movie] "Villains" - Heroes Season 3 Thread

I think Heroes is more fun if you don't actually read comics and can't see the shit they're practically lifting coming from current or even previous books a mile away. Jeph Loeb being one of the 10 producers on this show doesn't help either. The whole Petrellis = Summers Brothers and the flagrant Taskmaster character are pretty terrible.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Hiro's far more likable than most of the cast.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by striped phantom

Writers/co-executive producers Jesse Alexander and Jeph Loeb were fired.

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Nail in the coffin?

Uh, Jeph Loeb is a terrible writer, so while I can't speak for Jesse Alexander, I know that's one piece of crap off the show's writing staff.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

While I was in Iraq, Bryan Fuller was writing Heroes and it was more his brainchild at the time before he left to work on Pushing Up Daisies (sadly canceled). He knew one of my supervisors and thus we got all got Season 1 DVDs and free swag while sweating our asses off.

Getting to the point, if you dug Season 1 at all then it'd be a good idea to stick around for Fuller's attempt to reinvigorate the series in the middle of Season 3. He's got talent, but he also has a history of that talent going unnoticed/unappreciated. If you need another point of reference, Wonderfalls was one of my favorite sleeper hit shoes but its time slot killed it (go Fox). It's just one of many shows that displays Bryan's grasp of what it takes to make an entertaining show. He also wrote "Company Man", which was one of the highlight episodes of Season 1. So if you're wondering "WTF" regarding this show, it may payoff and see what the series brainchild can do to resurrect the show.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

On 4thletter, there is always a constant argument against adhering heavily to continuity. Elaborate explanations to talk about why a character is no longer doing what they were doing 10-20 issues ago in a series. These explanations/stories do allow for a response broad changes to the status quo, but they also result in the kind of lame excuses you might have seen in this season of Heroes. A lot of folks like Green Lantern: Rebirth, a comic which resurrects and redeems the Silver Age Green Lantern known as Hal Jordan. It not only absolves him of wrong doing during the Parallax story arc, but says that Parallax was nothing more than a cosmic bug with evil mind control powers. In round about ways it also states that many things that Hal did didn't result in what was seen because Parallax did more stuff "Behind the scenes." In this way, Rebirth addresses continuity as well as ignores it. It's a huge elaborate story to say 2 things of substance: Hal Jordan is back and Hal Jordan is a good guy again.

If Fuller chooses to revert the story of Heroes back to Season 1 WITHOUT any explanation, I think that would be for the best. You probably shouldn't ask for one, you can, but think for a moment how lame and ridiculous the potential reasons for a reset sound in your head. Now think how lame and ridiculous a lot of this current season might seem to you. It'd be a legitimate way of saying "Hey guys, we fucked up, but THIS is what we meant to say."

I think a reset in this manner would be for the best. No one gives a shit about Season 2 or 3, so I think it would be cool if they allowed Fuller to go "whole hog" on a fix in this manner.

"Heroes is back to where you thought it was interesting. Heroes is something you should watch again."

I was speaking idiomatically.

Wouldn't it be great though? Obviously if it were actually encouraged, it'd potentially be better than 2-3 more episodes trying to explain in roundabout ways that "Hey, we had some REALLY terrible guys writing for us and the stuff they did doesn't count anymore!" But, on the real, yeah... no way it'd happen :sad:

It'd certainly be awesome to start back from the end of season 1. I want to put the idea out there just to get it percolating in some folk's heads, then it'll be something maybe they will start to expect.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

You're right, Peter. A full reset would confuse audiences, be they casual or super nerd. That decision would end up tearing the show asunder. They COULD do it, but there's your point. I believe this to be a technicality of viewer perception more than a statement that the idea itself doesn't make for a better story. But, hands down, you're right about the result for the product/show.

That said, I'll just explain my viewpoint from here instead:

I saw Fuller's influence as the reason these mistakes didn't occur so frequently in the previous season. I was on again/off again with the show when I heard that Jeph Loeb was one of the many Executive Producers involved, because a lot of the plot developments reeked of stuff he wanted to do in comics. If you read anything he's involved in now, it's like he's taking what he didn't get to do on Heroes and putting it in those comics. Ugly stuff. However, you're right in that television shows are not done by one person, they require a team of people. Still, that influence was indeed poisonous.

I realize it'd be pretty lame to cut and run, I said something similar in another thread so I do agree with the sentiment of that point. However, I feel there's an exception to be made since there was clearly a theme and feel to the show that was in Season 1 that is all but abandoned rather than expanded on in Seasons 2 and 3. What originality would be lost with going back to Season 1, though? What they've done with Season 2 and 3 hasn't been original so much as high concept.

I know it isn't going to happen, though I would disagree that a reset without explanation would ruin much of anything.

Viewers should just hope for the best now that Fuller is back. The show has done a great job of ruining things by way of previous staff and efforts, I think Fuller's experience would alleviate that rather than cause it to become cyclical. I don't see anything all that interesting in Seasons 2/3, since I actually read comics and ripping off those comics doesn't strike me as interesting in the slightest. They ended up expanding on all the bad ideas present in Season 1. It seems very unfortunate, though this assumes that my view of the show is 100% how things are and I admittedly only liked the show in the first place because of Fuller's touches here and there.

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