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I see two types of crossovers for video games. One is where it's done for fun for the sake of the game (Marvel Versus Capcom 2) and the other where it's done for fanservice. Some you folks might need to play more games because "Subtlety" is done so often that occasionally you seem to not see it.

Thunder Force V isn't exactly the greatest game (since it's the FREE RANGE show) but it crosses over several properties owned by Tecnosoft at the time. For instance, the stage 4 boss was lifted straight from Hyper Duel. Good shit. Shin Megami Tensei is able to cross over any time it wants because of Shin Megami Tensei 3/Nocturne, so people who played Digital Devil Saga 1 and 2 were witness to some clever in-game crossover.

Irem basically connected its entire body of games through R-Type Final, so it was really interesting looking at stuff like the ship from X-Multiply showing up, Matt Gables from Undercover Cops being listed in an "enemy combatant" list, and having Mr. Heli show up for the sake of being in the game. Probably a great example of a story/game crossover since there was meaning at every single level.

At the end, story isn't so much the issue to me such as the gameplay. Which is why Namco x Capcom was balls and even though they tried to work in the story, I don't give a crap about it.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by OmagnusPrime

It always amuses me the way they try to come out with some story that justifies those sort of fan-service crossovers. I've seen people talking to the Mortal Kombat Vs DC Universe devs and they say how they've come up with a story that explains why these two sets of characters are fighting. Well, let's ignore the fact that most fighting game stories are retarded anyway, but no, don't. I'd have much more respect if they didn't bother trying to explain it, or just made a very self-mocking story that knowingly admitted "Hey we did this because we figured it'd make you buy the game".

That opinion is certainly upsetting. Street Fighter has a great plot, as does Virtua Fighter... they just don't get placed in game. But that framework when you look at it is impressive, linking an entire body of work together. Final Fight, Street Fighter, all the way up to Captain Commando even. Not Rival Schools though, apparently.

Anyway.

There's a reason for that. It's hard to tell a story about people getting together to just FIGHT without it becoming convoluted bullshit, like what Guilty Gear and Soul Calibur ended up being. Honestly, Mortal Kombat? It has a story pedigree of a comic book writer, and his plotting is fine. In game? It's just not represented, that's not why people were picking up the product. Which is why the idea of movies and comics excite most of the rabid MK fanbase... which is why the crossover isn't so much out of line as it is out of the blue.

But if all you expect it to be is stupid and all it should be is one thing, then why allow any game to attempt to be something different? Those stipulations you place on certain genres and titles because of a history of perception are hypocritical when you talk about how progressive you want video games to be.

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Originally Posted by OmagnusPrime

Oh please, at what point did I suggest the crossover fan-service aspect had anything to do with the title or the genre?

Originally Posted by OmagnusPrime

Well, let's ignore the fact that most fighting game stories are retarded anyway, but no, don't. I'd have much more respect if they didn't bother trying to explain it, or just made a very self-mocking story that knowingly admitted "Hey we did this because we figured it'd make you buy the game".

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Jesus. Yeah, I'm the one who needs to get cut a break here, clearly.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by OmagnusPrime

Well a) taking it out of context is doing a bang-up job of misrepresenting my words, and b) I explained the 'retarded' comment above, I like fighter stories, they're just a little daft. The whole rest of that quoted comment is to do with fan-service corssovers.

Let me try quoting the whole thing and chopping out the irrelevant bit you're getting hung up on:

Originally Posted by OmagnusPrime

It always amuses me the way they try to come out with some story that justifies those sort of fan-service crossovers. I've seen people talking to the Mortal Kombat Vs DC Universe devs and they say how they've come up with a story that explains why these two sets of characters are fighting. Well, let's ignore the fact that most fighting game stories are retarded anyway, but no, don't. I'd have much more respect if they didn't bother trying to explain it, or just made a very self-mocking story that knowingly admitted "Hey we did this because we figured it'd make you buy the game".

Nothing after that bold and underlined sentence is alleviated by what you're saying, Prime. No, I get what you MEANT, but I'm talking about what you fucking said. I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to spin it like I'm retarded for saying what I did in response to what you had to RATIONALIZE TO ME in a completely new post after the fact. What I "cut out" was insubstantial. What you said and what you meant are 2 different things, I'd appreciate a little less bullshit in that regard, it's not like I was calling you retarded or something.

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Originally Posted by OmagnusPrime

Oh please, at what point did I suggest the crossover fan-service aspect had anything to do with the title or the genre?

I have pointed where you did this out already, I take offense with you thinking I didn't see you say this very thing. It is a paragraph, the dead outline in bold. You have clarified your stance on this, so I obviously get what you meant now, but the "Oh please" here is something I'm taking offense with now. Not that you actually think what I had typed out and yadda yadda. Again, what you said and what you meant are two different things, that's why I said you did "suggest it", because you did.

You've corrected yourself, I'm not charging you with original sin, you just stepped on my fucking toes (so to speak) with that "oh please" jab.

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Originally Posted by Rotorblade

Those stipulations you place on certain genres and titles because of a history of perception are hypocritical when you talk about how progressive you want video games to be.

Prime is not a hypocrite everyone, I projected my interpretations of conversations that took place elsewhere and what I perceived them to make Prime's thoughts and opinions right here and I am wrong for doing so. Apologies.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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