Song of the Week - WEEK 63 Voting/WEEK 64 Nominating

Holy cow, some stiff competition this time. Should've waited for a quasi-dead week to nominate MW2.

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Originally Posted by Liontamer

To David, I just wouldn't nominate MechWarrior 2 period, but that's just me.

You're a bad mens, Larry. I've heard some weeks where this track would've completely DOMINATED. :P

2 points: Nanaca Crash (lol)
What can I say? This tune just doesn't get old even after hundreds of repeat listens, and has entertained me for many an hour. ZU-BAAAAN!!!!

2 point: Uncharted Waters Online
So much gratuitous sax and violins, but I don't care. I likes it.

1 point: Enthusia
lol groove bias. How many times has this soundtrack been nominated (including BSC)? You'd think this, Drag-on Dragoon 2, and anything Wild ARMS would be ineligible by now.

1 point: MechWarrior 2
I think it's my duty to give this track the only point it will get this week.

NICE TRY ZARFLAX: Dune Spice Opera
lol shakahuchi. And seriously, what kinda name is "Dune Spice Opera"?

Close but no soup for you:
Rockman Zero
Synth guitar and that ubiquitous lead were kind of a turnoff for me, but it's catchy enough.

Timesplitters
lol pentatonic (i.e. "let's mash black notes!"). Decent attempt, but it comes off as too derivative for me. Who knew we'd see the day that Westerners tried to knock off the Chinese? :P

Transformation
Not bad, but I came away uninspired. Fairly formulaic, with minimal variation (lol boom-hiss).

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Uh, FF Adventure is kind of not obscure. And by "kind of" I mean "completely and totally." Neither is MintJam. BUT HEY YOU'RE THE BOSS.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Drakken

Where did someone nominate a FF Adventure song?

"Final Fantasy Adventure" was the name of the US release of Seiken Densetsu. And the rules say...

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if the album/game it comes from has the words "Final" and "Fantasy" in its title, there's a good chance many people have heard it already.

I realize this is a technicality, but I think it can be argued that ANY Square(-Enix) game has had a reasonable amount of exposure already and should be automatically disqualified. If you're willing to let this go though, I've got a few FF5 nominations in mind...

Originally Posted by Dr. Uzuki

"We let in Suidoden," kind of works with anything now.

Also, we have had a Seiken Densetsu arrange piece before. Other than that and some play time put in with Sword of Mana, I've had no exposure to the Game Boy incarnations of the series' music. The only time I've ever heard of MintJam was the Rude Performance nom. Beyond that, I'd think them to be more than obscure enough for SotW.

Well then, you can expect many more Seiken and MintJam nominations from me. MWA. HA. HA. HA.

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Originally Posted by CHz

Besides, one unwritten standard we've had (perhaps we should explicitly add it to the rules) is that the obscurity of the source is not important as long as the arranged track is obscure enough. I point to Chocobo's Happy Christmas in Week 10 as the canonical example of this.

Out of curiosity, how many people have heard 3rd GIG #Crescent?

Uhhh...does that mean I can nominate stuff from CT Brink of Time and GGX2 Sound Alive? 'Cause I will.

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Also, stop editing, Dhsu. >:(

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I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by CHz

Brink of Time absolutely not, since that's in no way an obscure album in itself. Likewise, no to either of the Black Mages albums and the FF Piano Collections.

I'm not hip to the obscurity of GG albums, but I'd say that GGXX SA is probably also too well known.

But see, you're just saying that, like I was. I could conduct a poll as well asking "Who's heard Sound Alive?" and the results would likely be comparable to the number of people who've heard 3rd GIG. And I myself had never listened to Brink of Time before today (and have heard *of* but never actually *heard* Creid before). Likewise, I think you overestimate how many people have actually gone through the FF Piano and Vocal Collections (not that I would ever nominate anything from those albums). If you're just assuming they're "well-known", what's to stop me from saying the same for Seiken and/or MintJam?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I'm kinda borderline on EB...it's a fairly well-known soundtrack, but according to precedent, it seems that as long as SotW voters aren't familiar with it, it's a go. Although, right now no particular track on the OST is coming to mind that would have much of a chance of winning.

Originally Posted by Crash Landon

As long as the nominated arrangement isn't covering a phenomenally well-known tune (for example, I'd never, ever condone an arrangement of Liberi Fatali, no matter how obscure the album), then I don't see any major problems.

And I think this is my main issue with the current interpretation of the rules. If someone nominated a Liberi Fatali arrangement, they could just invoke the "Chocobo's Happy Christmas" clause again. Combined with the "Hanjuku Hero" clause, the arranger could be well-known too. So both the artist AND the source material could be famous, but as long as SotW voters haven't heard them together, it's completely eligible? Oh by the way, here's my next nomination!

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Haha, you can go ahead and have the nom. I wasn't (entirely) serious about it, and it'll leave me free to nominate something else.

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Originally Posted by Kaleb.G

Negative.

Not so fast, Kaleb! I play the Chocobo's Happy Christmas card in defense mode and combine it with my Jet Black Hatred magic card! You've also triggered the SotW Precedent trap card I had face-down, which strikes Nomination Rule's weak point for massive damage! Sorry, but my life points nomination is quite safe!

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Kaleb.G

Finally, Soule's arrangement of "Tina" has far less originality. To add to that, there has already been tons of exposure to it at OCR, here, and other places.

O RLY? When did it get exposure here? And even if it did way back when it was released, that's no guarantee that the current voters have ever heard it. It wouldn't matter if the track were absolutely legendary at OCR (as I'm sure MintJam has its own raving fanclub somewhere as well), it only has to be fairly unknown to the SotW community.

I think a combined poll for the Soule and MintJam tracks is in order. Remember that the source game, source tune, source composer, and arranger are all completely irrelevant as far as elegibility is concerned. The only issue at hand is whether the voters have heard these particular arrangements before.

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Okay, regarding the concern that I'm circumventing a rule that was intended to prevent "poaching" from OCR, does not the VERY SAME RULE ban doujins? Is not CHz doing exactly the same thing I am, trying to weasel in what is essentially a fan-arrangement via the "professional" loophole?

To be honest, I have absolutely no problem with SV being rejected, nor am I at all "opposed" to MintJam being accepted. However, if BOTH these situations occur, there is a discrepancy somewhere. As of now, the oppositions to the SV nom seem to be kneejerk reactions and appeals to the HEART OF THE CARDSCONTEST rather than an adherence to established precedent (again, the notoriety of the source tune and arranger should have no bearing on eligibility). All I'm trying to do is get some clarification on the guidelines, and then see that they are enforced accordingly and consistently.

Edit:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...nt&btnG=Search

1080 results, over SV's 772. Also, like I said, having had exposure back then is no guarantee that any of the current voters have heard it. I'm sure the Seiken Densetsu Sound Collections had its share of exposure when it was released as well.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Those amount to "Well it was popular at OCR," which shouldn't matter because this a GFF/STC contest; and "It was popular back then," which I addressed in my edit.

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