[PS3] Cooking Guide: Can't Decide What To Eat? PROTIP: THIS IS THE MGS4 THREAD

Yes, the Boss is Ocelot's mother. If you call Eva a bunch while in the cave, she'll tell you that Ocelot has been able to make Major at such a young age because he is the son of some "legendary soldier". Later, the Boss reveals that she gave birth on the battlefield durring the invasion of Normandy and that her son was taken from her by the Philosophers/Patriots. If you use some simple reasoning, it is easy to figure out that Ocelot is her son. The age fits perfectly (20 since Normandy) and Ocelot works for the Patriots as one of their most loyal spies, as though he's been doing it all his life. As further proof, Liquid reveals to Ocelot that the Sorrow was his father in the Sons of Liberty comic book.

As for MGS4, Kojima has promised that all of our questions will be answered. We'll know exactly why Liquid can possess Ocelot, the source of Vamp's powers, and the true nature of the Patriots will be revealed. It is also expected that we will see the return of Meryl (The Meryl lives ending in MGS1 is the official ending). If I may speculate here: I think that Vamp is going to be a protagonist in MGS4. He wants revenge for Fortune's death. His brief appearance durring MGS2's final moments seems to imply that Vamp is following Snake/Raiden, but to what end? I predict that he will try to team up with them to bring the Patriots down.

After playing MGO, I'm even more hyped for the game. MGS4's online mode is going to be something to really look forward to. The customizable weapons seems like fun. I found out that Snake's gun in the trailer is a SOPMOD M4:



Anyone turned off by the MGS4 trailer probably doesn't understand a few things. "No places to hide" simply means that there will be destructable environments (look at both MGS4 trailers for proof) and that the enemy AI is going to be random and unpredictable. In other words, the enemy soldiers won't have set paths or patrol routes like in previous MGS games, you'll never know when a group of enemies is going to sweep through your section of the city. The new Metal Gears are called "Gekko's", they are mass produced, pilotless AI controlled, nuclear equipped Metal Gears. They are bio-mechanical, their artificial leg "muscle" is grown. (This info can be found on a card in MG Acid 2). They may not look as cool as REX or even RAY, but they're definitely going to be interesting enemies since you're going to find them all over the city. Snake's "oldness" is because of his rapid aging due to the fact that he's a clone (most will agree that it's not because of FOXDIE). I believe that the serum that Naomi gives Snake will allow him to stay young, and possibly temporarily reverse the aging effects, meaning that "old man Snake" might not be old through out the whole game.


Check out what I found. It's a 1/6 scale MGS4 figure by Medicom. It's due at the end of 2006 with the price undecided. This one is an unarticulated prototype. I hope this is affordable and available in the US, however judging by the MGS3 figures it will likely be over $100 and Japan only:


This is one of the most accurate figures I've ever seen. The most detailed Snake ever! Freakin' bad ass.


Jam it back in, in the dark.

I'm jealous Spatula.

I think Raiden has the potential to be cool. Kojima already said that he's making Raiden tougher in MGS4. In the Sons of Liberty comic Raiden comes off as a psychotic. Raiden can never truely replace Snake though. But who's to say that the next MGS will be a sequel to 4? After Kojima leaves the series, MGS is dead to me so I really don't care too much what they do. They might as well go off and make it about Grey Fox or something. Or perhaps the series will skip ahead even further and we'll play as Olga's or Raiden's child? Maybe Ocelot had an illegitimate kid in there somewhere and we can play as that, then at least the Boss' bloodline will still be around (and still be badass).

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Raiden was created for prepubescent Japanese school girls (see the Saga DVD), which is the completely wrong demographic for Metal Gear. Kojima realizes his mistake and is correcting it in 4 by returning Solid Snake to the main character chair.

I think that Raiden has the potential to be a likeable character in the future. My biggest problem with him isn't the fact that he stole Snake's spotlight in MGS2 and really let the fans down, and it isn't his girlish figure, it's all that whinning he does! Raiden's complete lack of comprehension of a situation is just annoying. Get rid of that and his character improves by a whole 50%. Make him a little darker and maybe even a little psychotic, plus add the fact that he'll be a father in MGS4 (which leaves him subject to getting extremely pissed off at any threat to his child. Pissed off = more bad ass) and the fact that he'll be under Snake's wing in MGS4 and you've got a likeable character.

Whatever you think about Raiden, you can't say that he's a complete pussy, I mean he took down 25 Metal Gears in a row (in extreme anyways), something that even Snake has never done. Even if you hate Raiden, at least cut him some slack because MGS4 is all about Snake and you'll never *have* to play as him again (though multiplayer Metal Gear will likely include him). The worst thing you have to do is sit there and listen to some of his dialogue in 4, which will be less whinny and more to business than 2 ever was. Because Raiden was mearly a device to tell a good story in MGS2, I neither like him nor dislike him. I've learned to accept him because without him MGS2 wouldn't be a postmodern masterpiece, it would be just another action game.

How ya doing, buddy?

I don't think there will be a playable demo this year, maybe in E3 '07. There should be a new trailer showing off actual gameplay footage though.

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Here's a Yousendit link to the DVD quality MGS4 trailer (150 mb) in Quicktime format. Ripped from the Saga DVD:

http://s59.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2...T0XSODGL4GX22J

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Gechmir

Mobius --

There's no sound ;___;

There should be. Are you using the latest Quicktime? Try another media player. If there still isn't sound then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe your computer doesn't have enough RAM or a good enough sound card?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

That looks really cool. Too bad I only have my Mac and can't use it
DARN YOU .EXE !!! (I'd use Virtual PC if I had more HD space)

FELIPE NO

Que MGS theme for Pietak saving the day! Thanks man, this thing rocks!



What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I just scaled the screenshot down so it could fit on your tiny inferior screens. :P

Mine displays 12:00 midnight as 0:00. I can live with it. The alarm settings on the Mac version are under "alarm" in the tool bar. Basically just what Rasputin said, the hours are set in military time for the alarm. I've got mine set to warn me for "The Unit" tomorrow night.

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LOL XD

Jam it back in, in the dark.

You mean no translated Mac version? The one Peitak gave me seems to be in English.. I'm still using it but now I don't really have anything to set the alarm for. I always remember when 24 is on, and that's really the only thing I need an alarm for.


The latest Kojima Productions Report said that the (Japanese) voice actors for Snake, Otacon, and Raiden have all recently recorded some dialogue for the game. They also said that they're busy getting ready for E3. Though a new trailer at E3 has yet to be officially confirmed, it's fairly obvious that there will be one (why record dialogue this early in the development unless you were going to show off the game, right?). Anyway, this Friday is supposed to see some hints at what we can expect at E3 in the KP Report. Something I found interesting in the Report is that the Producer of MGS4 Ken Imaizumi also worked on Silent Hill 1! woot! This raises my hopes for this whole "psychological warfare" thing.

Hey, did anyone else find the MGS4 Passport videos pointless? Not only was there no relevant info to MGS4, but they barely showed off the buildings and architecture of the place that they were at. All they did was talk about the wierd food they were eating and how the locals all thought the MGS4 team was Jackie Chan.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

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Campbell's back! woot! Of coarse Liquid will be back in the form of Ocelot's arm, that's one of the mysteries Kojima has promised to solve. Where was it confirmed that they'd all be shown at E3?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Oh hell yeah, as soon as the trailer is leaked I'll post it here, that is if I get my greedy hands on it before everyone else. Rapidshare or Megaupload? Or perhaps there's an alternative. I'll Yousendit if it's under 50 mb.

Of coarse the early versions of the trailer that we get will likely be shakey handycam versions of poor quality. It'll probably be a month before hi-res direct feed is available.

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:biggrin: Sweet.

How ya doing, buddy?

Nah, Gamespot (and IGN) will only post an official direct feed trailer (in low resolution too), which will be released months after E3. The shakey pirated footage will be the eariest footage we will be able to see. Maybe someone on Gamespot's forums will post a link to such footage, but that's as good as it's gonna get.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

LOL, this "fake" has been going around the internets. Supposedly it's leaked MGS4 Raiden images, however general consensus seems to be that this is a fake due to the fact that it doesn't look MGS4 quality. It seems to be Raiden's head from MGS2 (you could view it in full rotatable 3D in 'Document of MGS2') photoshopped onto something else. Plus he doesn't appear to be any more badass than he was in MGS2, and Kojima has promised to totally convert the Raiden haters. We'll just have to wait a few weeks to see for sure.



I will say one thing though: this has gotten me a little more hyped to see what Raiden will actually look like.



Also, here's an E3 "teaser" made by a fan. Some of you may have seen this already. That's Snake's Japanese voice actor saying the words, so apparently it is a real MGS4 Snake quote. I was wondering where the quote came from or if it was real before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgA-T...20Cinema%20MGS

FELIPE NO

::joins argument to clear some stuff up::

Originally Posted by Cel

Well yeah, they are code names, but it's just that they weren't all original like in the rest of the games. They're all part of the same squad sure, but so were the others in part 1 and 2, it's not so much that I completely despise part 3, it's just that I noticed a lot of iffy things as soon as I started playing it.

The "corny" bosses of MGS3 were intentionally de-emphasized in order to highlight the story of Snake and the Boss.

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Voice Actors: it seemed like David Hayter was losing his touch, and his voice started sounding a little too forced, and you could almost hear his "real" voice behind the acting.

No, he chaged his voice on purpose to sound different from Solid Snake's in order to emphasize Big Boss as a seperate character. That's fine if you don't like it, but few people had any problems with it.

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Other actors also over-acted their parts, I really love Ocelot but some parts and lines he was given just.. made him out to be like one of those douche bags that hang around DDR machines and start 'shadowing' as they call it.(And by that, I mean his mannerisms) It was funny that he dropped his gun when he started flipping it in his hand, at least it showed that he wasn't all 'that' just yet. But then his little 'roar' to call on his squad really made me laugh cuz it sounded so damn lame, especially since I didn't know what it was for at first. (finding out what it was after, really made no difference)

What's your point here? You're giving reasons why you like Ocelot. Yes, the "meow" thing was wierd, but it's not that big a deal. You do know that Ocelot was a CIA agent (or rather an agent of the Philosophers) sent to ensure that Snake completed his mission right? Yet he had to appear like he was working for Volgin, thus much of his odd behavior durring the game is explained as his attempt to balance his duty with his role (like when he pulls a gun on Volgin).

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Script: So it doesn't seem to be all his forte and he's not as bad as Lucas, so that may have been a bad comparison, he does have some good lines. But jesus, at the beggining of the game when Snake talks to The Boss, she just.. oh god... she goes on ranting about what it is to be a soldier... it's like... listen up 'hoe', we already know what it is to be a soldier, it's only been pounded into us the past 2 games, plus you're not talking to a f'ing n00b, you're talking to THE snake, even on part 3 he's revered as a great soldier, so why the hell do we even need that speech from her? I complain because it went on for far too long and it was unnecessary to begin with. See what I mean? if you look back at a couple of things, you'll know what i'm talking about.

You know you can skip the radio conversations right? At that point in the game Snake was still young and had far less experience than the Boss. Since the Boss was his mentor it's only natural that she try to teach him things. And it wasn't that long, you just seem impatient. Long dialogue has been part of the series since the first game, you should be used to it by now. It's not like the Boss' speeches were pointless. The initial conversation was there in order to clue us in to Snake's relationship to the Boss. And did you just call the Boss a "hoe"? She kicked Snake's ass more than enough times durring the game to earn at least a bit of respect from the likes of you.

If those are your only reasons for hating MGS3, then those are pretty weak.

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About part 2: Yeah it made some sense, and sure they explained it, but it wasn't feasible. I didn't say "SURE! that's awesome", it was more like.... "*vomit*". They pretty much ruined a couple of things about the story:

A) They made part 1 to be completely insignificant of a story and more of a "prelude" of things to come.

Well MGS2 was intentianally absurd. The series takes alot of inspiration from those absurd 80's action movies (like Escape from New York for example), so Kojima attempted to emmulate their style. But there's another reason for it's absurdity: it's postmodern. Postmodernism is all about decayed reality. Basically nothing is real anymore, we live in a time when we are surrounded by the false. MGS2's absurd and unfeasable things fit into this theme because they are meant to be "too unreal", in other words, the events of the game are events that could *only* happen in a game. Since Raiden was intended to be the quintessential "videogame personality" (his character arose from Kojima's thought of "I wonder what videogame characters are like when the game is not being played".) Even Raiden is not real. The various wierd and unfeasable things in the game were all there in order to highlight that it is not real and could not happen. If you don't like it, that's fine. Just know that it was all there for a purpose.

As far as your "A)" goes, MGS2 didn't really make the first game out to be insignificant. What it did was show us that MGS1 was only a small episode in a larger picture. MGS2 didn't make MGS1 any less great, and if you think it did then I have no idea where you get that from.

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B) Liquid living in ocelot's arm. I have nothing to say, this is the stupidest idea, I don't care what explanation he can come up with. I don't care if it's an act of god, I don't care if liquid is a damn robot, I don't care if they make it make sense, because it's just a really stupid idea. He shouldn't have killed liquid if he liked him that much, now he wants to bring him back as a damn arm, that's great. Nuff said.

Well that's fine if you think it's stupid, but I don't. It's probably some sort of biochip in Liquid's arm containing a construct of Liquid's mind, that's my hypothesis at least. The series has many Cyberpunk themes, so this explanation would fit the series well. But there could be other explanations. The cause *could* be supernatural (though I doubt it since Kojima said he will explain it all in MGS4, and simply writting it off as a supernatural cause would be the easy way out, and Kojima doesn't take the easy way out), but one of the great things about the MGS series is the ambiguity between supernatural sources of the various character's powers and technological causes. Fortune is a prime example. Until we found out that her powers were the cause of technology, we thought she was supernatural. Vamp's powers are probably due to technology as well. The thing is that Kojima leaves it up to us, the player, to decide whether we believe that the the supernatural exists, or if we believe technology is responsible. I don't hear you complaining about Psycho Mantis. You can't honestly tell me you think Mantis is cool in all his seemingly supernatural glory, and yet say you hate all the other "supernatural" occurances in the series.

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C) Metal Gear Ray is supposed to be SO much more powerful than Rex, yet they managed to destroy one. Sweet, k. Now a shit load more come out, one after another, awesome battle, sweet background, it was great. Yet ... hold on a second, that makes out Rex to be a piece of shit, Raiden doesn't just kill MGR, he kills like 20 of them. That really makes any metal gear out to be a piece of crap, main character or not, they really need to give some props to the machine from which the game derives it's name from.

What does power have anything to do with it? Ray was an anti-Metal Gear unit designed to destroy other Metal Gears, so yes, Rex wouldn't stand a chance against it. It wasn't really designed to take out infantry units, so Raiden did stand a chance against it. He was able to defeat so many because that's what the Patriots intended in the script they wrote. They wanted to test Raiden and see how far they could push him. I'm sure Solid Snake himself could have accomplished the same task, but he wasn't the puppet of the Patriots in MGS2. In any case, it's not like Ray makes Rex any less cool.

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D) Vamp is an example of something corny done right. He didn't make sense with his whole ... vampire crap in a very unusual setting, but his personality and background, and voice totally made up for it. And he's also like the only character they didn't make an action figure out of. Funny eh?

What's your point here?



Listen, I can't make you change your mind about not liking MGS2, but alot of your reasons for disliking it are pretty weak, and some of your hate seems to stem from your not truely understanding what Kojima was doing at all. You can hate it if you want, but you can't just say it never happened. MGS2 is an essential part of the series whether you like it or not. There's no ignoring it if you want to say you're a fan. I mean, it's freaking canon.


::end of talking::

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Infernal Monkey

It's not like the original MGS had a more down to Earth storyline, either. Invisible cyborg ninja thing, gigantic robot, some idiot that threw endless amounts of furniture around the room with his mind, a brother that wouldn't die despite being shot at least four hundred freakin' thousand times in the face, Snake jumping over rockets and tanks, some guy that had a crow fetish. Oh man.

Exactly. The first game was just as absurd and unfeasable as MGS2, it just wasn't as apparent because the bosses were likable.

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This was never stated as a fact, I dunno where you got that, that sounds more like your opinion.

Actually it was. Kojima said that he placed less emphasis on the bosses in MGS3 as to not distract from the story of Snake and the Boss. Besides, it's pretty obvious that that's what he was trying to do. Notice an utter lack of backstoty for the Cobra Unit. It wasn't important (and would backstory really have made them any cooler anyways?). Plus with all the complaints Kojima got about MGS2's overly lengthy dialogue I guess he figured boss ranting wouldn't really be missed.

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You reeaaaally try to convince yourself to like it, it almost seems like you force yourself to find a reason to like it, most of the things you say are just hypothesis. Yes, I think Mantis was 'cool', mainly because he was a disturbed person with a fucked up face who was hiding much more than that, and spoke of his past and how he was born with that ability that came to engulf his childhood in flames. If you think any of the retards from MGS3 can live up to even one of the characters in part 1, I dare you to name one, and i'm talking about the "Ginyu force".

I don't need to convince myself of anything. These conclusions can easily be derived by thinking more in-depth about the story and actually trying to analyze the meanings of things rather than just complaining that it wasn't to my liking. Mantis is just as absurd and goofy as any boss in the series, the only thing that makes him special is that he is a little pissed at the world (kind of like the Fury). You complain about some of the "supernatural" shit that goes on in the sequels, like Liquid's arm, but MGS1 had just as much of it as MGS2.

One possible reason for the Liquid/Ocelot mind possesion that I forgot to mention: The Sorrow is Ocelot's dad, so Ocelot likely has some of his dead channeling ability.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

It's the Sorrow not the Sadness. That's only one possible explanation, it is not yet confirmed exactly why Liquid can possess Ocelot. MGS4 will explain all.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Eleo

I don't get why that needs to be explained. Didn't Fortune magically have telekinetic powers, and isn't The Sorrow a ghost? So it's not like MGS is not within the realm of the supernatural.

A transplanted hand possessing its user was an episode of Angel.

No, Fortune's powers came from that EM device that Ocelot had. Even at the end when it was supposedly deactivated, I'm willing to bet that it wasn't her own psychic powers that saved everyone, the Patriots simply turned the device back on (for what purpose we may never know, the Patriots are all about wierd mysterious goals). Perhaps when they got word that Solid Snake was still alive they wanted to spare him in order to study him or make him their puppet again.

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Originally Posted by Pietak

Not a joke! 90 seconds of audio goodness... mmmm.

I just came five times in a row.

Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist

I had a blast replaying it and since I was on that MGS buzz and I plugged in my Gamecube to play TWIN SNAKES again. I stopped after 20 minutes. What a horrible job they did. Not only does it look like ass, some of the voice acting is quite questionnable, especially the actress doing Naomi, it felt like she was asleep.

I didn't think Twin Snakes was all that bad, but it could have been way better. I hated the new voices of Naomi and Mei Ling. I only hated about half of the added cutscenes, the other half I accepted (like most of Ninja being a badass). What really got me was the music. It sucks (with the acception of the Mantis battle). Not only does it suck, it doesn't feel Metal Gear at all. The crappy music almost ruined the experience. The original music made you feel like some futuristic super spy, the new music was some dystopian electronica crap that made the game feel cold and distant (which I guess is how a place like Shadow Moses might really feel, but it just failed at making you feel cool). Oh, and Rex's "roar" noise was stupid in TS.

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER

Can't you just start a seperate thread about the debate of games-as-films? I would actually contribute if that was the case.

Actually I think the debate is games vs. films, but yes, I agree. Move this argument elseware as major MGS4 news will soon hit and we don't need this here.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Check the KP Report sometime today, they should have the first 90 seconds of audio from the E3 MGS4 trailer up.

http://www.blog.konami.jp/gs/hideoblog_e/

E3 is next week! I can't wait!

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Wow. Looks sounds like Liquid might be involved with Outer Heaven somehow (unless Big Boss is back, which I doubt). Who else would have an interest in reviving Big Boss' dream of a world for warriors?

Next week is going to be HUGE!

FELIPE NO

Big Boss' corpse was in the character art.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Here's Kojima Production's MGS4 area getting prepped for E3. I believe that that's the new official MGS4 logo. It looks similar to the first MGS logo but with upside down 7's for L.



Jam it back in, in the dark.