[Movie] WWE/TNA fanfiction thread

Yes, but it doesn't help the sentiment that TNA is basically salvaging whatever the WWE leaves behind, rather than picking and choosing from a host of people in ROH to make famous like they did much of their old roster.

Typical conversation about TNA usually runs like this:

"So, is X headed to TNA now?"
"No."
"How can you be so sure?"
"Because he hasn't been in WWE yet."

I was speaking idiomatically.

They're working together about as much as TNA and WWE are working together, but it doesn't mean that they can't acquire someone from ROH to turn into something special considering the amount of talent that ROH has.

Like the WWE, TNA has a problem pushing younger and more company-loyal guys that have been stuck at the upper mid-card now forever. That's really why I've stopped watching both promotions, and haven't really been serious about wrestling in months.

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The whole boxing angle almost has to remind you of the old Brawl for All bullshit they did back in the day.

Remember Bart Gunn vs. Butterbean?

If the word owned need an event as a definition, that would be it.

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Kennedy, eh? Irony at work.

Kills more than 2 top storylines though, kills a whole hell of a lot more.

This is all HHH's doing to get the title back sooner than later anyway, why lie.

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Uh, how about looking at all the developmental talent that is continually being hired and released. Becoming a WWE employee these days guarantees you nothing but a bad taste in your mouth about the business when you bust your ass and then end up released or canned. It may be an opportunity, but if I were given a choice between a TNA contract and a WWE contract at this point, TNA would be my choice no question.

WWE leaves you more injury prone, there is no guarantee you will work on TV unless you were in ROH or TNA beforehand (see: CM Punk), the schedule is more full of shit, and you could be released at any time the moment WWE sees you as expendable or simply wants to cut their budget no matter how good you are.

Jericho signing again with the WWE is unfortunate. He'll be on the shelf with an injury in less than six months at this point.

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The extra dates are only the way they are because they decide to run 3498203948029348 house shows that leave little more than a small ounce of illegitimate exposure. Nobody gets the rub at house shows, they are there to appease fickle fans that will otherwise never go to a larger show.

Rather than have one main three hour taped show and a single PPV every month, they have THREE shows with multiple talents appearing on some shows, all the house shows they put up, and expect everyone to make every single fucking date no matter what.

I respect TNA more solely on the basis that they tape their shit once every two weeks and then allow people to heal and have time off, only working the occasional house show or two from time to time.

WWE has no excuse for not having more talent pushed with so much airtime, yet we see the same garbage every single week and the same talent getting pushed over and over again. Val Venis wins the fan poll, REPACKAGE THE FUCKER AND GIVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY. Is it so hard to ask?

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You really have to think about Val Venis from a loyalty standpoint too, the guy has been with the company since all the way back in the Attitude era. Hasn't bitched, whined, moaned, complained, and has run with every opportunity really given to him. He did the Chief Morley thing quite well when he was doing it, it wasn't something he blew at or anything. But even if the poll victory was a joke, someone cared enough to make that happen. The guy deserves at least something before he ends up being forced into retirement for being too old.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

The "Walls of Jericho" used in the past was nothing more than a shitty boston crab, which in and of itself is never used. The best version of that submission was his WCW variation, where he wouldn't sit back but go down to one knee and pull back. Now THAT looked painful.

If he wants a new and exciting finisher, use the Texas Cloverleaf. I haven't seen that shit done in forever, and it would pay homage to Dean Malenko.

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If Jericho's popularity "fades away' it will be because he was misused by McMahonagement and not because of the fans. Everybody clearly loves Jericho, but nobody loves a misused wrestler. Nobody. He must be given a title run before Wrestlemania, or else they're going to risk shit hitting the fan and everything getting stale.

I was speaking idiomatically.

If what I read on the recap is supposed to be considered the "Raw of the Year" at any length, then I don't even want to see what the worst Raw looks like.

Sorry, but there's no real way you can celebrate 15 years in the WWE anymore. The most memorable are either dead, no longer care about wrestling, are too injured to do anything decent, or are employed in a company where they can continue to be memorable to a degree.

The show was basically once again the McMahon show. I expected to hear that this show was like watching a Wrestlemania on free TV, and instead it was just a huge gathering of jobbers and retired wrestlers. Thanks, but no thanks WWE.

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Originally Posted by Knighthawk

Well if what WWE offers doesnt tickle your fancy, you could always watch TNA this Thursday on Spike TV. TNA does a really good job at attempting to recycle old WWE angles involving old WWE talent. Heck, why do we even call it TNA? Lets call it what it is, WCW lite. I would take the "Vince McMahon Show" any day over the "Kurt Angle Show"

I'm guessing you immediately believe I'm a TNA mark because the WWE needs to grow some balls? Sorry, but TNA is loaded with as much crap as WWE is, except I expect better from the WWE since it is the more established brand with many more resources to use.

Let's not kid ourselves either, everyone uses everyone else's talent. If the WWE jumped on and was able to sign TNA exclusive talent like Samoa Joe, nobody would say a fucking word. They do it with ROH made talent all the time, just like TNA does. If you want an example of "homemade talent" Goldberg comes to mind. He may be the worst wrestler on the planet, but he was brought in with no prior exposure from the WCW Power Plant and turned into a star. Chris Jericho is old ECW and WCW talent, and was made big in both the WCW and WWE. Rob Van Dam is ECW built talent. I could go on forever, but calling guys ex-company talent means little while virtually every wrestler came from somewhere else.

I don't even watch televised wrestling anymore, and stick strictly to Ring of Honor and Japanese promotions. Both wrestlers and fans alike give 100% of their heart and soul to matches, and that's the kind of thing I want to see. A match where the participants give 100%, without having to hide behind face paint, gold medals, midgets, no shows, or anything else.

It doesn't really matter to me what you "fancy" but televised wrestling is out of control. If you heard Samoa Joe's shoot-promo during the last TNA PPV, he pretty much echoed the sentiment that exists almost everywhere. I'm glad people like Cody Rhodes are getting shots in the WWE, but he's an exception to a bunch that may never see a push in their lives.

But these "ex-company" guys still need a place to work, and a place to belong. TNA is simply misusing them making them main event shit when they could be giving the rub to others. Jay Lethal getting a clean pin victory over Angle is a perfect example. Build Angle up to be hot shit without oversaturating him, give him a string of victories, and then have a single victory like Jay Lethal's be the defining moment of a huge push. Instead, Lethal was kept where he was. Misuse.

This is my only concern about the product and the business, as a fan now for almost 20 years I don't like where the landscape is headed.

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I've got a bad feeling he's going to use that move exclusively now and called it the Tripler Crossface in an attempt to mitigate the heat involved with the usage of the move. If the boss' son-in-law uses it, no one gives a shit of course. I have no quarrel with Benoit really, what sucks though is that when you're having a conversation about wrestling and you mention the name "Chris Benoit" at any time, you are almost guaranteed to have someone speak up and say:

"Oh, you mean that guy that killed his family right?"

Not "Oh, you mean that guy that was in the Four Horsemen and had some spectacular matches, right?" anymore. That's the stigma involved with what he did, regardless of how many great matches he had. He'll always be "that guy that killed his family" to anyone outside the knowledge of his matches.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

So I tune in to watch this shit in what has to be at least an entire year and end up witnessing the self destruction of WWE creative and what is likely the largest shitdump that has ever been laid on RAW.

Clearly they invited Jim Ross to make sure he witnessed that he was in fact, no longer on the "A" show anymore.

Can I have my two hours back please.

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Originally Posted by Slash

Actually JR was there because him and King were doing the commentary for SNME (and FYI, spoilers are online and it ain't worth watching)

They did not have to have him come out to also announce RAW however, which is why I said that. Regardless, I don't believe I'll be tempted to watch any WWE shows again. I guess this is their way of basically saying "LOL MONDAY NIGHT WARS NO MORE" by ensuring that everyone watches on Friday instead.

They need to do something with this product and fast, because only name recognition is holding it up at this point.

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Taking bets now on how fast a wellness violation causes him to drop the title to HHH.

I think two weeks sounds about right.

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I'd like to think so, but winning title(s) does not absolve someone who has repeatedly been hit with wellness issues from irrational behavior.



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Two weeks. He won't be able to handle the additional stress required to hold onto that belt, and it will end up with a title drop. RVD was stupid, but Hardy really can't help it. Much like Matt, he isn't much of a singles wrestler. WWE as a product is stale right now because they keep pushing older and more recognized talent who are liabilities as opposed to the Colt Cabanas (Scott Goldman) out there that can be viable stars. This as opposed to putting together a tag team division with what they have and making wrestling actually exciting again.

Eddie Guerrero is an example of someone who would better shine in this situation, as he did when he got clean and won the title. Hardy is no Guerrero, unfortunately.

I was speaking idiomatically.

WWE has more problems than just the writers. They could have ten year olds writing the scripts, but as long as the wrestling is fun to watch it doesn't matter. When I see shit like Chris Jericho tap out to the STFUROFLOL in two seconds, I get real concerned. It's more like we have heads up asses rather than thumbs, because they can't see what exactly it is they're doing to the legitimacy of the same people they want holding their main titles.

All they need to do with "storylines" is remove the retarded gimmicks and go on to more potent shit. Chris Benoit and Kevin Sullivan's feud over Woman in WCW is how you do a love angle, that Kane shit can burn. Things like Katie Vick and incest and all that shit has no business in a wrestling ring anymore.

The sad thing is, WWE and TNA both are now guilty of this. Frontline vs. "Main Event Mafia"? What the FUCK is a MAIN EVENT MAFIA? Seriously.

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WCW lost Benoit because it turned to shit once management lost control. Benoit/Sullivan happened way before all that.

WWE appealing to kids is like McDonalds trying to appeal to anorexics. Professional wrestling is not High School Musical. If that's the case, they should bring in Hannah Montana to wrestle any other teenybopper regularly shown on the Disney channel. They need to change the way they do things. Imagine one show with all the older stars, and one show with all the newer talent? Not some "new ECW" shit either, but running a show akin to how WCW Saturday Night was set up where it gives people time to showcase their talent. You keep two camps happy doing that, leave the family friendly shit to the established stars, and give the new guys some edge and room to show themselves off.

I could give two shits about individual wrestlers, but it needs to be fun again.

FELIPE NO

Yes, TNA is also a flaming shithole at the moment. They went from the "alternative" to "we are wrestling" to "we love jobbing our talent to old motherfuckers well past their prime." It continues to make me firmly believe that Vince Russo is Vince McMahon's bloody buddy sent to every promotion to self-destruct it. Russo to WCW? Destroyed. Russo to TNA? Slowly turning to shit. They broke up Team Canada. They broke up AMW. They almost broke up LAX. They essentially ended the X-Division focus. They lost Gail Kim who basically built their Women's division. Then what do they do to make up for it?

They depush their entire homegrown roster and begin main eventing people who bring absolutely no value to the company aside from maybe Jarrett and when used correctly, Kurt Angle.

Total Nonstop Atrocity.

Also still lolin' at Freddie Prinze Jr. being on WWE creative. He needs to go back to bangin Sarah Michelle Gellar and run away while he can.

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The split was an internal decision, which is what caused Chris Harris to move to WWE where he will likely be stuck in the abyss that is the developmental territories.

TNA has an excellent roster when you set aside the older wrestlers that really have no business wrestling anymore, but the company has zero direction. You look at them now, and you have no idea what it is you are or want to be seeing out of them.

In most cases, writers seeking employment with WWE are expected to have experience with "dramas" (read: soap operas) rather than be attuned to the wrestling business and know what people want. You can assume most of these guys don't even bother researching the product and current trends, they write for McMahonagement only. Vince himself could be the problem, but we'll never quite know.

I do know however, that TNA has no excuse for the bullshit.

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Sad as it is, I actually used to do that very thing. I created practically everyone I wanted to see in the WWF at the time on No Mercy for the Nintendo 64, and each week I would schedule matches with a PPV once a month on Sundays. Scheduling title matches and watching the titles change hands on that game was a blast, I even kept records of the changes and the winners/losers for each week. Wish I could do that again, but every single wrestling game since No Mercy has been nothing but a letdown.

What WWE needs to do is only hold it's big four and be done with it. Royal Rumble, Wrestlemania, Summerslam, and Survivor Series. You could potentially throw KOTR in there, but you'd get many more buys with more buildup and a PPV with epic matches as opposed to the shitfest that Armageddon was.

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ECW is a failed experiment at this point and needs to be thrown out entirely. It will never live up to the legacy that the original had because it's being run by people that have no idea how to put together a show like that. The old ECW was rebellious, didn't rely on heavy special effects and retarded dramatic storylines, had better announcers, and was an overall quality promotion. It would have gone mainstream if Heyman didn't run it into the ground.

RAW and Smackdown are enough, but they need to distinguish each show as something unique rather than "the A show" and "the B show" as it stands.

Wrestling as a whole also needs more Tony Schiavone.

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Originally Posted by Manny Biggz

And every storyline that involved Raven was?

Most every dramatic storyline that involved Raven occurred in WCW and not ECW. Raven's Flock, Raven and Kanyon segments, etc etc. It also doesn't help that Raven basically carried the emo torch with him throughout his entire career. But the promotion went into the ground when people weren't being paid, and of course Vince being the businessman that he is took advantage and bought the name and all libraries associated with it.

I was looking through DDP's website today, came across a couple videos. Suppose it's nostalgia kickin in here, but man I love watching things like those videos.

Dailymotion - DDP as La Parka fools the nWo, a video from Stinger1981. DDP, nWo, WCW, Nitro, Parka

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Well naturally no promotion is totally devoid of drama but ECW was nowhere near the level of WCW and especially WWF and modern day WWE when it comes to things like that. When I think of the single most bullshit storylines we've been fed, things like the plastic hand, Katie Vick, and the ever popular "Judy Bagwell on a pole" match. All of this of course revolves around one Vince Russo who can't seem to keep his hands out of the proverbial cookie jar when it comes to asshattery in script writing.

I think the one thing I really miss about pro wrestling at this stage is the complete lack of lucha libre and luchador action in current promotions. Back in the WCW days you had La Parka, Psychosis, Juventud, Silver King, Villano IV and V, Super Calo, and tons of others. Plus you had many new wrestlers featured on WCW Saturday Night and WCW Worldwide. I dunno, you don't really see the variation anymore since Raw and Smackdown are basically interchangeable and TNA doesn't know what the fuck their doing.

That was a good match you posted though, wish we had more of that shit in HD.

I was speaking idiomatically.