[Album] The Metal Thread! (The Zombie Edition)

Symphony X >>>>>>>>>> Dream Theater. Got my tickets for their July show. I wonder if they'll play many new songs... probably. I didn't get into the new Sym X album much, alas.

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Oh and niki, I just noticed your custom title. Awesome.

I was speaking idiomatically.

It's ARYA, stupid!

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Originally Posted by niki

haha right been a while. It also sounds the same way, in French. xD

While we're talking about French, here is some random fact. Taake pronounces to "ta queue" which basically translates to "your dick". That makes for quite clumsy musical conversations ...

Oh God I love Taake !
wut!? Oh ...

Ah bon? Je pensais que ça se prononçait "ta-ké", pas "ta-keu". Bizarre.

Originally Posted by Krelian

The Morrigan's Call is a kickass album, particularly when you consider how hard the few CDs before it sucked.

Funny, since I thought it was the worst one yet by far. I still bought it, though, but I kind of regret it since I probably won't listen to it very ofte. It's not really that bad, just vastly inferior to the others.

Originally Posted by niki

I never liked them, for some reason. It's weird because they have all the stuff that makes good folk/viking metal, but I dunno, there must be something lacking somewhere. =/

Songwriting, perhaps? I have nothing against them but I didn't get into them much, and I'm a folk/viking metal whore.

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Whoa, Sabbat (UK) was added to the Wacken lineup... but it's at the same time as Falconer!

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

No thanks.

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What about Mayan balls?

How ya doing, buddy?

My lame joke killed the thread, so I'll attempt to ressucitate it.

In three days I am taking a plane to Germany, to attend the almighty Wacken Open Air. Saxon, Sodom, Destruction, Immortal, Haggard, Sabbat (UK), Possessed, Torture Squad, Turisas, Type O Negative, Grave Digger, and the rest, here I come.

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First, Accept is awesome, especially Metal Heart and Restless and Wild. Second, they were never thrash metal, WTF? They've always been straightforward, traditional heavy fucking metal.

I saw them at Wacken 2005 and they were mindblowing. I wasn't even a big fan then, but they converted me.

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Pfft, nothing is better than pure 80's metal cheese like "Chains and Leather"!

Chains! and leather, chains! and leather
Chains! and leather, and rivets
Chains! and leather, chains! and leather
Chains! and leather, forever

"Guitars!"

*wicked solo*

We are right - praying metal tonight
The message from hell and its spell
Even Satan wears leather, our souls to it forever
So let us pray our rules tonight



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So I got a new PC, and had to rebuild my FTP users. Whoever still wants an account, PM me, because I forgot your passwords.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

A folk metal discussion without mentioning Moon-fucking-sorrow, Storm, Hantaoma, Ensiferum, Turisas or Einherjer? For shame.

FELIPE NO

:lol: When you wrote "acquisitions" I thought you meant you bought the CD.


I must be getting old. :\






Edit: WTF, this board has a dancing milk carton but no proper laughing emoticon?

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I spit on most so-called "avant-garde" bullshit. Pretentious self-indulgent wanking has no place in metal. </narrow-minded elitist OMG>

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Originally Posted by knkwzrd

Pretty much all metal is pretentious self-indulgent wanking.

Yeah, especially Black Sabbath, Venom and Motörhead!

...Wait, what?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

"Pretty much all metal" is directly influenced by those three, which are the anti-thesis of pretentious self-indulgent wanking. You fail.

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Where did I say that?

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Originally Posted by Tagonist

Elitist self indulgent wanking...
Yeah that covers about 70% of metal fandom, that disses everything new as being "untrue" and "not as good as they were before".
Just read the user reviews for any random metal CD (that's from a better known band) on Amazon...

I prefer that to the "wah wah stop being so narrow-minded and ELITIST, and be more OPEN-MINDED, meanie!" whining, personally. Not that either attitude is constructive, but it's the lesser of two evils. Elitistophobia makes no sense to me. Like there's anything wrong with not tolerating mediocrity.

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On another note, mentioning of Ayreon in the thread got me to check them out, and now I'm probably having to dump some money on at least Human Equation and maybe also Into the Electric Castle.
Great stuff...

Yeah. I need to get The Human Equation. Into the Electric Castle is badass, Star One as well.

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Originally Posted by guyinrubbersuit

Powerslave is pretty much my favorite Iron Maiden album. I'll still check out the non-Dickinson era Maiden. I know it's shunned by many metalheads, perhaps I'll take to it.

The non-Dickinson era is great? Classics such as Purgatory or Phantom of the Opera are their best songs ever and... oh wait, you mean that era. Blech. :P

Originally Posted by GoldfishX

For IM, I probably go:

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7. Dying for the World

Who the wha??
Edit: Did you mean "No Prayer for the Dying"?

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8. Matter of Life and Death
9. Dance of Death
10. Somewhere in Time

AMOLAD over Somewhere in Time... Hmm.

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11-14. Insert Di'Anno/Bayley albums here.

and I just didn't care for Di'Anno's singing all that much, though I probably should give him another try.

Do it. It has some of their finest songwriting, and his voice is rougher and gruffier than Bruce, but it fits their early style perfectly well.

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Any Judas Priest fans? I'm still in the process of tracking them all down (pre-British Steel and I think they had a 2005 one), but with what I have I probably go:

1. Painkiller
2. Turbo
3. Defenders of the Faith

Turbo over Defenders? I'd repost the pic above but it'd be redundant. :P Seriously, WTF.

DO GET their seventies albums, though, they are their very best (other than maybe Painkiller for which I have soft spot for). Stained Class, Sad Wings and Sin After Sin are among the finest heavy metal albums of all time.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

You've gotta be fucking kidding me.

Horde? Bahahahahahahhaha.

Btw, there is no such thing as "christian black metal".

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by niki

Aw. I wasn't expecting *you* to fall in that kind of cliches. =p

BTW, your database says otherwise.

Cliché? Black metal is not compatible with christianity, period. It's simply ridiculous, it's like having satanic gospel or death metal about love and puppies.
My database lists Horde as "black" metal: note the quotes. Horde uses bm aesthetics, but has none of the meaning. It's a complete joke, and they also happen to suck despite the christianity anyway.

Originally Posted by niki

Moonsorrow live ! I'll eventually have to travel to see them one of these days, as it doesnt seem they'll ever be playing in France.

Ah-ha, a band that I saw twice that you didn't. :P

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Originally Posted by niki

Seriously, I realize Horde is purely satirical, but did you honestly gave stuff like Arvinger or Antestor a chance ?

No, and I never will. Call me narrow-minded if you want, but I'm not going to waste time on worthless contradictory garbage when there is so much other good music out there to seek.

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And bleh, how are Moonsorrow live btw ? I really can't imagine.

They are amazing, though I would have preferred if they hadn't played that long song (I think most of it is filler). The rest was awesome though.

Originally Posted by DarkLink2135

I don't limit my black metal choices just based on lyrical content. Having an entire genre of music being limited upon the lyrical content is just silly anyway. Music is defined by the sound, and when I can barely make out what the hell they are saying anyway, it makes little difference to me whether they are praising Satan or God.

Oh boy... Where to begin.
Music isn't just a bunch of sound waves. Music is an art form, and as such, an expression of human ideas. A song can have an atmosphere, moods, feelings, and thoughts, and this can happen *gasp* even without lyrics! Similar-styled songs by similar-styled bands form a genre. One of those genre, black metal, is represented by its raw, primitive, hateful, gritty, christian-hating feel. Therefore, it makes absolutely no sense to have black metal singing about Jesus and christianity (or Judaism for that matter, I should have said "Abraham-religion-hating feel" but it sounded more awkward :P). If you don't care about the meaning behind the music and just like to hear pleasant sound waves, fine, go ahead, but don't start saying it's silly that a genre is "silly that a genre is limited upon the lyrical content", because that's misleading and inaccurate, not to mention false. Black metal isn't limited to anti-christianity: it can be about satanism and anti-christianity, yes, but also about rebellion, individuality and rejection of modern PCness, war, violence, paganism, mythology, history, nihilism, and even more unpleasant subjects like racism and national socialism. Those things are not incompatible per se. But preaching of christianity is simply not compatible, and neither is singing about love or flowers (doesn't a "black metal love song" strike you as genuinely ridiculous? well, it should, and the same should occur if you encounter "christian 'black' metal"). I would say the same thing about death metal: a death metal love song is just as stupid as "christian death metal". Note that I'm not talking about having elements from christian mythology (e.g. Dante's Inferno by Iced Earth isn't "christian metal"), but specifically about pro-christian themes and worse, preaching.
Music isn't created in a void. Those thoughts that drive an artist to create his work are what fuels him and his creation, whether there are lyrics or not. You can't just separate the two because they are intrisically linked. Most genres of music don't have specific thematics (or if you prefer, "restrictions", though I find this needlessly pejorative and misleading), but some do, with varying ranges: gospel music, black metal, straight edge punk, folk music (to a certain extent, in some subgenres at least), to name a few.

Never thought I'd have to write so much about a genre I don't really care that much for (I only like a handful of black metal bands)... but I see the "it's just sound!" argument so much it's starting to itch.

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Nightwish has been shit for a long time, and this new singer is even worse than the nu-Tarja: soulless and devoid of personality of emotions. They might as well as picked the Evanescence chick.

Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust

From my perspective, Christian black metal is a stupid concept. The very sound of the music is pretty much against any kind of Christian theme. I listen to a lot of black metal these days, having began to take interest in the genre last December after knowing about it for a couple of years, and I don't necessarily subscribe to any kind of Pagan or Satanic ideologies, but I think it's entirely contradictory of the "pure" Christian nature to use the filthy sound of music pioneered by Satanists and Pagan revivalists to pass any kind of message. It almost comes off like they're trying to convert the nonbelievers who listen to this style of music, or something idiotic like that. I just find it unappealing. I wonder if Jesus would approve of this music.

I love when someone gets it. Thanks man.

Originally Posted by DarkLink2135

While I agree that there is probably a primary motive of "converting" listeners of black metal, I just don't get why people think it's a stupid idea. All they did was steal the sound and change the lyrics to promote a different idea.

It seems you just answered your own question... it's stupid because it just steals a genre's aesthetics without making any sense whatsoever.

Like Ziggy said, why are those christians so feeble that they can't even form their own musical identity and have to piggy-back on what was created out of hatred for them? Just goes to show how pathetic they are. If I made satanic gospel music, I'd expect to be rightfully ridiculed as a gimmicky poseur without a shred of creativity or honesty. People would see the proselytizing fraud for what it is.

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Originally Posted by Zorro

Who is a hell of a singer.

You forgot "technically competent but flat, dull, emotionless and without any personality whatsoever" somewhere in that sentence.

Originally Posted by niki

Yeah, let's disregard the huge influence of Christian "classical" music on ... what really ? ... all modern music ?

And Christian music came from something else itself, which came from something else ... etc ...

But you can choose to see the world as a bunch of small isolated tiny boxes if you wish ~

??? Did you per chance forgot to read the "those" word from my post, which clearly showed I was specifically indicating the christians who tried to make "black" metal? Because otherwise, that's one hell of a strawman you got there.

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Originally Posted by Zorro

I don't know much about her (and don't care enough) to comment on her personality. The rest is obviously a matter of opinion. Actually I don't even know how you'd define "flat, dull, emotionless" in regard to a singer who's technically competent Just say you hate her guts and be done with it *g*

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I don't hate her anymore than I hate any other generic pop singer. And it's pretty clear that by personality I was referring to the personality of her voice, not how she is as a person, but I can't tell if you were being facetious or just hopelessly dense.

She's technically competent because she can hit her notes just fine. That doesn't mean her voice has any power, any passion or emotion. King Diamond sings in a shrill falsetto that would probably make any music teacher cringe, but he somehow has the balls and intensity than most technically proficient singers (say, just about any typical power metal singer) would never dream of having.

Originally Posted by knkwzrd

As far as I can tell, Nightwish=Lacuna Coil=Evanescence

It's all the same shit: slightly altered but still pretty boring nu-metal that sells because there are a lot of sad, sad metal fans who think listening to a band fronted by a pretty girl will somehow get them laid.

Don't get pissy at me about feminism or anything either, I like a lot of female artists in a lot of genres, but this get-a-goth-girl-in-a-corset nonsense is fucking played out.

Agreed, though I wouldn't call any of those bands nu-metal other than Evanescence.

Originally Posted by Zorro

A genre that exists solely to be confrontational? You're kidding, right? By the definiton you just made up here nothing is Metal that isn't unsuccessful, underground, political or just confrontational for confrontation's sake, I take it?

Zorro who didn't know Motörhead was a pop band

WTF? You don't know the meaning of the word, I take it.
Motörhead is as confrontational as it gets. The band's raw, dirty rock 'n roll is the very essence of youthful (nevermind Lemmy's actual age) rebellion. And that's why they rock so much.

Originally Posted by Sian

I think it's great when rock and metal get some airplay on the radio. The more people aware of this amazing genre of music, the better.

...Why? Seriously. I don't understand why people think that popularity and radio airplay is something desirable. Especially when the bands in question are like DragonFarce, Trivium or Nightwish, rather than say, Candlemass or Gospel of the Horns or Sabaton...

Originally Posted by Shitflap

And people wonder why metalheads are perceived as closed-minded.

Honestly, I stopped caring about that epiteth a long time ago. So what if people think we're close-minded - at least our brains aren't falling off. I still like Loreena McKennitt, Pink Floyd, Dead Can Dance, Omnia and Sol Invictus as much as Bolt Thrower, Saxon or Varathron, so it's not like the name-calling has any sort of meaning.

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Originally Posted by niki

Yeah, what I was saying is basically that I don't believe in lyrical themes defining music. Oh well we're just running in circles now. =j

Actually, you were implying that I said all christians were unoriginal, piggy-backing frauds, by mentioning the influence of christianity in classical and other music. I was merely correcting your gross assumption by emphasising my reference to the specific christians who try play "black" metal.
...Which has nothing to do with lyrical themes and such. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by Zorro

Neither - I'm just not a native English speaker, honey.

Neither am I, sugartits*.


*Perhaps you are unaware that such epithets are condescending. If you were aware, well, fuck off.

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I'd say beauty lies in the ear of the listener.

Oh sure. But it's undeniable that the singers for Hammerfall or Freedom Call have as much balls as my pet cat.

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Still, there's actually very little confrontation in "mainstream Metal" these days.

And that is why most of them blow donkey cocks.

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Would it be okay for the ones you like to get airplay?

Oh, sure. I'd be a lot happy for them, certainly. However, I'd get a tad concerned that such commercial success would give them big heads and turn them shitty. Not because popularity is inherently bad (plenty of bands dealt with it just fine), but because the band-who-starts-to-suck-once-they-get-popular phenomenon is just way too commonplace in my experience for me to not be just a little wary.

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Anyhow, take the worst Metal band you know - wouldn't it be nice to hear more of that and less of Britney, 50 Cent and all the other crap when you turn on the radio?

I don't turn on the radio. But if I have to hear it, like say, in the bus, yeah, I'd rather hear Dragonforce than 50 Cents. That depends on the band, though. Nu In Flames or Trivium are nearly as unlistenable as those.

Originally Posted by knkwzrd

I much prefer crap that knows that it's crap to crap that pretends to be something else but still smells like shit up close.

Haha

I was speaking idiomatically.