Theological Discussion

Catholics don't tell you anything. I went to Catholic church for the better part of my life and no one even knew my name. Jesus actually said to spread the Gospel, though.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I'm not saying they don't believe it. Just that most Catholics don't know what the hell they believe. Church is something they do on Easter to avoid pissing off their mother. I was a Catholic all my life, and it wasn't until I was 15 and decided to actually read the Bible that I knew anything. And I would go to church on a weekly basis. And took 2 years of CCD classes.


Okay Sass, that's great, but have you even read those books? I like how when people quote the "stupid things" the Bible says, they always look to the books that they have the smallest possibility of understanding.


By the way, nice cut and paste job.

http://www.liberator.net/articles/Ad...leJustice.html

I think I'll take that as a "no."

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

Yea, its nice to pick and chose things, right?

RIGHT.

Why don't you try to make an argument form you own mind instead of doing cut a paste job, which is basically spam?

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Don't act like you need a primer to read the fucking thing, Minion. Its written for idiots to read it.

It was written so that idiots who speak Hebrew and lived over 2000 years ago can read it.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

How 'bout you stop spamming with your cut and paste bullshit? I can do the same thing. What would that make this argument but a pile of shit-spam?

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

You're pretty thick, arentcha? How is that one trick pony working out for you? Anytime I open my mouth in a way that you disapprove of, it's because I can't tolerate your beliefs, right? You poor thing.

Whatever, I'm outta here.

I was speaking idiomatically.

She knows that, Alice, but she's going to keep on being a blockhead. It's how she gets her rocks off.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

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He said that there's only one way into Heaven and that's through Him.

This actually is a tough issue, but there is a concept of "accountability" which is present in the OT and is reiterated in the NT. Basically, you have to hear, understand and reject the Gospel to be not saved. Although being not saved is just spending eternity separate from God. The stereotypical concept of Hell is actually not Biblical and very misunderstood. So, in a sense, God is just giving you what you want either way. He doesn't seem like such a bad guy to me.

FELIPE NO

You're not being sarcastic are you, Alice?

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

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Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5: 17-20

It's complicated. I'm not copping out. It just is. Christ is the fulfillment of the Law. What this means is that, basically, the law is obsolete, not because its meaningless, but because you don't have to deal with it anymore. He pays for all of your mistakes. It's like when a kid breaks a window. Instead of suing the kid, the parent pays for it. Jesus is your guardian who pays for all your broken windows, if you accept that He can and did.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Besides, being a murderer is kinda moot when you're an immortal soul, floating around the Nth dimension.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Satan was cast out because he wanted to usurp God.

Hitler was vehemently anti-Christian, so no worries there.

The point is, Lehah, that we all deserve to go to hell. Yeah, even Ghandi, probably. How can you really judge the man? You only know the great thing he did. Maybe he was a shit as a kid. Who knows? The point is, if God sent everyone to hell who deserved it, he'd be pretty lonely up there. But He's takes us as we are, so long as we genuinely want to be with him.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

You've got a point, Skex. And I'm far from innocent here. I think we'd all do well to give each other's culture/religion/whatever more than a passing thought, for the sake of general peace.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

I don't know what that means, but I'm guessing you're asking why I can't judge but God can? Which is kinda obvious. Omniscience and all.

Oh, and try not to make an ass of yourself. I have no problem thread banning you.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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The theory of God is wrecked, is stranded on your belief in the world

Or the Bible/Ressurection? Which I'm sorry to say has some secular historical backing. Not to mention the Dead Sea Scrolls which predate Jesus and contain numerous prophecies about him.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Everything you say about God is a metaphor, including the pronoun "he" because He is, by definition, unlike anything in the natural world and therefore outside of our combined experiences and beyond literal description.

Satan wasn't trying to advance, Sass. He was trying to take over. It was a failed coup, essentially. God gave him power second only to His own and because of pride, he believed that he was actually stronger than God and wanted to destroy Him. He failed and paid for it, along with the 1/3 of the angels who followed him.

FELIPE NO

I wonder if anyone is going to make serious use of this thread or if I should just flush it.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

You forgot to raise any sort of serious point amid your jokes.

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Well, he acts that way because he really believes he's better than God. He's not dumb; he's just really, really, proud. He has a kind of pride which is completely blinding. The kind that would even make you wince.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

This discussion is going to be hard to manage if we don't narrow down what we're talking about. I want us to pick a topic and try not to deviate from it. It looks like we're talking about Satan right now. Fine. Let's pick one thing to disucuss about him and bat it around until we're done. Tangents are always the bane of any worthwhile discussion, so lets try to avoid them. Sass, I think you should decide what the topic is specifically, then let's go from there.

Just try not to make more than one point at a time and stay on topic.

How ya doing, buddy?

I made the thread. Let me make the rules.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

It was from another thread. I split it.

How ya doing, buddy?

I just thought it would make sense if we talked about one thing at a time, but Sass will have her way.

God leads the same way a parent leads. There are rules for us to follow that He doesn't have to. Your parents give you a bedtime when you're a kid, but that doesn't mean it's their bedtime too.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Satan is actually nearly perfect in every way. His flaw is his pride, yes. His inability to comprehend that God is greater than him and that he needs God. Actually, it's a flaw that's pretty common among people. Thinking that they have everything under control when they really don't. Too proud to admit that they need help.

That and rather than admit that he's wrong, he tries to ruin God's plan as much as possible and uses people for his own purposes. He actually enjoys your misery. Which is one thing that I find can make even a human being evil.

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You're right, Eleo. Knowing God (Theology) is a never ending processes. You're never done learning. So yeah, people will have different beliefs. This would make things very complicated if God hadn't made it so simple by only requiring you to accept the sacrifice of His son.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Man, I really hate QuoteWarstm so, I'm just gonna do what I intended and respond to one point at a time.

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Why would he care about a person like me, sir. I don't believe in God. Why would Satan care about me because of that? I am a neutral in both parties!

He cares because God wants you in his camp. And there are only two camps, sadly. If you don't want to be with God, you end up in the other camp. Satan couldn't be happier than when someone doesn't care either way. Takes the burden of winning you over off his shoulders.

Jam it back in, in the dark.