Kramer snaps

For once, someone says the n-word and black people aren't overracting to it. Probably just circumstantial, though.

Anyway, as stupid as it was for him to say that, it reminds me of how tired I am of the fact that there is a word I can't say but other people can. I really don't care if I can say it or not, since I don't really ever use it verbally or in writing, but I have little tolerance for the double standard grade school bullshit behind it all. If the word evokes such negativity, then no one should use it. You don't see Jews jokingly calling each other Hitler, do you? Maybe that's because it would actually be offensive. Nobody else has a word that they pretend to be offended by so that only they can use their special word. Grow the fuck up already.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Yeah, but from what I saw, the reaction is sort of understandable. You could have put the Grand Wizard of the KKK on stage and he would have been less offensive.


Actually what really bothers me about this is not that some B-list actor may be a bigot, but what he did, unfortunately is going to reflect badly on a cultural icon. It's kind of like he committed "crimes against culture" or something.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

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Minion, you've never taken a class on gender, race and language have you?

With all due respect, that sounds like a lot of mumbo-jumbo. But if the beast is in it's "last throes" as you say, that implies it's death is at least inevitable, if not warranted. I'm just hoping that happens within my lifetime (or next week maybe).

How ya doing, buddy?

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Everything sounds like mumbo-jumbo when summarized in a few lines. I'm seconding the above two posts and telling you to fucking school more. You should not be so proud of your own ignorance.

You would take any opportunity to denigrate me anyway, so your opinion couldn't be less relevant.

Under whose authority is this curriculum being developed? Have you even been to college? If my college experience (which is very similar to everyone else's that I've spoken too) is any indication of the quality of this kind of class, then it is probably a lot of bullshit. You can't teach a thing like this in a classroom. It's something you have to know from experience. When people try to make a study of it, that's when it becomes bullshit. But you go ahead and believe that learning something in a classroom a) makes you understand it and b) confers to you any useful knowledge in the first place and enjoy your smug self satisfaction for mastering the intricacies of "gender, race and language" from a sum total of approximately 14 hour long lectures.

How ya doing, buddy?

It's not really age that brings about wisdom. It's more experience and a generally inquisitive mind. I know people twice my age who are absolute children and simpletons. And the "elders" of this board are hardly an example of what it is to be a grown up.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I guess that's the question, isn't it? Is there really anyone ou there who actually deserves to be called a nigger? It's obviously wrong to brand an entire race with an epithet like that, but what about individuals?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

But you can call whoever you want white trash. That's the difference. No one will ever make as big a deal about ANY other racial epithet - any epithet whatsoever, really.

FELIPE NO

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an obnoxious pedant with no creativity... a caustic asshole...

I have to admit, you know yourself well. If only you could decipher a point.

I'm not saying *I* know anything. I'm saying there are things you can't learn in a classroom. Do you understand that? Or maybe this argument stems from your relative lack of real social experience? I'm just trying to sort things out here.

You don't need to learn "from the streets". Again, it seems as if you either didn't actually go to college, or you were a shut in the whole time. I was able to bond with people during college that I would never meet under any other circumstances in this country. African-Americans were not only present, but any American was viewed as a bit mundane in light of my school's ethnic strata. I don't honestly know how I could have learned more except by actually being black and growing up in harlem or detroit. I sure as shit wouldn't learn anything that I've learned from real interaction with human beings in any classroom.

How ya doing, buddy?

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then you can talk to me about real world experience.

The thing is, if you're going to make an appeal to authority as an argument (which you're welcome to do if your experience is genuine) that's great, but in order for there to be an actual dialogue in this thread, you need to kind of stoop down to our level and at least give us a the jist of the theory involved. Don't just say you know stuff - explain it. I'd love to hear about it, really. I'm not being the least bit sarcastic.

How ya doing, buddy?

Yeah, I mean... that's how I feel exactly. I'm just trying to understand how our views differ, if they in fact do.

There's nowhere I can't reach.