The Hip Hop/Rap Thread

I dig rap alot of times, my fav group is probably the coup. Everything they have ever done is fucking amazing.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

The only album worth listening to is



It was a clear black night, a clear white moon
Warren G was on the streets, trying to consume
some skirts for the eve, so I can get some funk
just rollin in my ride, chillin all alone

How ya doing, buddy?

So you designed the soundtracks to kingdom hearts, Capcom vs SNK, etc. I call bullshit. Anyways, it is nothing but a hassle arguing with dis-illusioned square/enix fanboys like yourself.

We've got 5 million ways to kill a Omega Weapon
Slap him up and shake him up and then you know
Let him off the flo' then bait him with the dough
You can do it funk or do it disco y'know how this

Microsoft motherfuckers let bygones be bygones
But since I’m macintosh, i’ma double click your icons

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I've been digging it lately, it isn't as good as Genocide & Juice or Steal this album, but it is as good as Party Music which is a fine album, so it is definetely worth the price of purchase, but then again im a fanboy when it comes to the Coup and any Bay Area artist.

they are also on a massive tour right now and they are always great live, so check them out if you get the chance.

here is a list

05/28/2006 - Sun - Boise, ID
Neurolux
05/30/2006 - Tue - Missoula, MT
The Other Side
05/31/2006 - Wed - Bozeman, MT
Zebra
06/01/2006 - Thu - Fargo, ND
The Aquarian
06/02/2006 - Fri - Minneapolis, MN
Triple Rock
06/03/2006 - Sat - Chicago, IL
The Abbey
06/04/2006 - Sun - Lansing, MI
Temple Club
06/05/2006 - Mon - Cleveland Heights, OH
Grog Shop
06/06/2006 - Tue - Buffalo, NY
Buffalo Icon
06/07/2006 - Wed - Boston, MA
The Paradise
06/08/2006 - Thu - New York, NY
The Bowery Ballroom
06/09/2006 - Fri - Brooklyn, NY
South Paw
06/11/2006 - Sun - Baltimore, MD
Otto Bar
06/12/2006 - Mon - Washington, D.C.
Black Cat
06/13/2006 - Tue - Asheville, NC
Stella Blue
06/14/2006 - Wed - Charlotteville, VA
Satellite Ballroom
06/15/2006 - Thu - Chapel Hill, NC
Local 506
06/16/2006 - Fri - Atlanta, GA
The Earl
06/17/2006 - Sat - New Orleans, LA
House of Blues
06/20/2006 - Tue - Houston, TX
Warehouse Live
06/21/2006 - Wed - Denton, TX
Haileys
06/22/2006 - Thu - Austin, TX
Emos
06/24/2006 - Sat - Tempe, AZ
Marquee Theater
06/25/2006 - Sun - San Diego, CA
House of Blues
06/27/2006 - Tue - Hollywood, CA
The Avalon
06/28/2006 - Wed - Anaheim, CA
House of Blues
06/29/2006 - Thu - Santa Cruz, CA
The Catalyst
07/01/2006 - Sat - Salt Lake City, UT
Egos
07/02/2006 - Sun - Durango, CO
Abbey Theater
07/03/2006 - Mon - Denver, CO
Quixotes
07/06/2006 - Thu - Lake Buena Vista, FL
House of Blues
07/07/2006 - Fri - Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Revolution
07/08/2006 - Sat - St. Petersburg, FL.
Jannus Landing
07/09/2006 - Sun - Tallahassee, FL
Beta Bar
07/11/2006 - Tue - Myrtle Beach, SC
House of Blues
07/14/2006 - Fri - Northampton, MA
Pearl Street
07/16/2006 - Sun - New Haven, CT
Bar Night Club
07/18/2006 - Tue - Providence, RI
Lupos Heartbreak Hotel
07/19/2006 - Wed - Portland, ME
Space Gallery
07/20/2006 - Thu - Burlington, VT
Higher Ground
07/23/2006 - Sun - Milwaukee, WI
Stonefly Brewery
08/12/2006 - Sat - San Francisco, CA
The Independent

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Originally Posted by Night Phoenix

The real reason why people aren't open to underground hip-hop is because 98 percent of 'underground' rappers don't know how to make hot songs.

It's not that people got anything against so-called 'conscious' hip-hop, it's that most underground rappers sound fucking horrible. Their beats suck, their flows and deliveries suck, their hooks are completely uncatchy and thus forgettable, and they just sound unpolished as all fuck.

Guys like Kanye West and Lupe Fiasco get their fair share of radio play because they understand the concept of making good songs.

Are you seriously citing Kanye West as a decent beat maker? the dude recycles his beats and loops more then 50 Cent spews utter garbage and lies about being tough and a street thug.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Night Phoenix

I'm willing to agree to disagree. When I listen to 95 percent of the underground, regardless of what they're talking about, I feel completely unmoved. I take into account the entire performance. Sure, there are some gems here and there, but by and large, the whole 'underground artists can convey a human feeling better' is iffy at best to me.

Simply put, I feel that if you put any of your favorite underground artists up against any current mainstream artist on an equal playing field (media exposure, marketing budgets, no. of units shipped first week, etc.) that the underground artists simply wouldn't measure up based on the strength of their music.

You obviously equate Talent with mainstream success according to you're above paragraph and this paragraph shows everything wrong with the rap game these days. You can't properly gauge the talent of an underground artist and a mainstream one when you're plan for comparison is using commercial success as the record market in regards to rap is run by white teenage suburbanites who know jackshit about music besides what MTV or BET feeds them is basically the rap equivilent of the EuroPop Top 40.


I know plenty of rappers who purposely don't want to make it big because of this scenario and i don't disagree with them. Nearly every artist that is currently big nowadays has flushed his integrity down the drain and turned his music into Rap-Pop so he can take whitey's son's money and get rich which in my opinion is the antithesis for making music in the first place. The Quest for never-ending wealth is what killed the music industry as well as the rap game and it seems you're part of this problem.


There is a reason the Underground exists, it provides rappers with the outlet to provide music to a crowd who actually appreciate music for it's message and unique approach on beat making and not just because they can shake their ass to it or because it's " popular ". Many Rappers stay within the underground because of the sense of community and camaraderie it provides among the fan's and artists; something that is not found and has been lost in the mainstream for years.

Many Underground rappers would put any of the mainstream ones to shame but they refuse to do so as to them admiration and respect for thier purpose is far more important then making a few million bucks and gaining a few hundred thousand fan's who's sole reason for being a fan is because the artist in question is the " In " thing. A rapper who puts more importance on his message then making it big is far more respectable then an artist who is in it for the money.

You probably one of those cat's who think T.I " King" is the dopest album of 06 so far, don't ya?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Night Phoenix

I equate talent based on what sounds good. Most underground music sounds like total garbage.



Not the dopest, but one of the top three hip-hop albums this year, for sure. Of course, you disagree since you think that anyone who can sell records to a lot of people somehow sucks and is a sell out.

You can throw at me all this nonsense about integrity, but it's all bullshit. You don't have to be a sellout to make music that is marketable.

Did i ever mention " selling-out"? No. I Simply stated that if you're main purpose for making music is to inflate your bank account to astronomical proportionals, then you most likely aren't making music for the sole purpose to make music and express yourself; which is definetely true.

I Enjoy music for what it is and not how many albums it sold or money it put into someones pocket, I look for substance in music; something that is extremely lacking in Commercial Rap these days. T.I's " King " i used as an example as the album has only about 4-5 awesome tracks and the rest of it is recycled and rehased garbage.

IF you enter the game with the main purpose of wanting to strike it rich, you should be taken out back, nigga stomped and never be allowed to touch a Mic again. This is the main problem with the game today, the people who are big in the market, they're entire catalogue is simplified beats made for clubs who are attended by people who couldn't differenate a musical note if they're life depended on it and their sole purpose for rapping is making exoborant amounts of money on " booty music ". Rap went from making an artistic statment about the world to taking whitey's money by providing him with a " fictional ghetto life through Cd and simple beats. "

remember, the rap game started on the fact that lyrical delivery was key and beats were only an afterthought, nowadays the reverse is true where beat's are key and lyrical delivery only comes second. The fact that the entire argument on hand is based on petty squabbles about how this rapper sucks because his's beats aren't good on a dance floor. Everyone needs to pull their heads out of their asses espically you NP and remember what Rap/hip-hop roots originated from.

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