[Album] The Punk Thread! (We're Gonna Gob On Yer Granny)

Punk! My favorite genre of music next to metal.

my top 10 favorites:

1. Minutemen
2. Swell maps
3. The Fall
4. Angry Samoans
5. Flipper
6. Bad Brains
7 Meat Puppets
8 Crime
9. Sun City girls
10. Crass

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Originally Posted by Grail

So, is it true that most good punk = people from Europe?

No. Their is plenty of punk that came from the states that is far superior to alot of the stuff that came from europe-based punk bands

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Originally Posted by kinkymagic

Maybe there is a lot of punk from the states that is far superior to alot of the stuff that came from europe-based punk bands, but British punk is the best in the world.

That was expected, your english and from my encounters, the english think they pioneered every popular genre in Rock music . IMO, Their is only a handful of decent punk bands to come out of Britain.

The Fall, Wire, Swell Maps, Crass, Clash, and the jam.

Then again, i can't tolerate any form of Oi punk and 80% of the punk bands in England are Oi based.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

My favorite subgenres of punk are generally 80's Hardcore/American Underground and post-punk.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell

One thing I would like to say is that I think in the United States we don't really have "punk," it's a brit thing.

We have hardcore, such as: Bad brains, Bad Religion, Reagan Youth, Black Flag, Fugazi, The Misfits, Naked Raygun, Anti-Flag (circa '88), et al.

The distinction is mainly semantic, but there's a distinct divergence in sound between the Sex Pistols/early Clash and those listed above. The only real exception I could think of would be The Heartbreakers, who developed their sound while touring in the UK with the Sex Pistols.

You're obviously not looking deep enough if you think punk music is exclusive to Britain.

being punk goes by the simple D.I.Y ethos. The fact that you cite the sex pistols as an actual punk band, shows you don't know much of what your talking about. I recommend you look up vivian westwood and Malcom Mclearen. The sex pistols were the Fallout boy of the 70's and nearly every interview i've read with people who were part of the punk rock scene attest to this.

let's not forget that such punk bands like the Stooges, Television, Swell maps, and the ramones to name a few started as a band playing punk music 2 to 3 years before the Sex pistols or the clash even formed.

The reason people consider Britain to be the home of punk music is because of the mainstream press hyping up these two bands as an innovator of this genre of music. The only reason they are considered by many uninformed people as the founders of punk is because they " brought" it to the mainstream.

hell, even bands like Black flag, the Minutemen/reactionarys, Angry Samoans, Crime, etc started playing punk music at the exact same time that the clash and the pistols did. Thinking that punk originated in Britain is completely asinine.

British punk may be the most well known in the world due to mainstream exposure, but it is by no means the original or birthplace of punk rock. Sorta how people think Black sabbath are the first metal band in the world when if you take the time to digg, it is very evident that they were not.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell

I don't know why everyone likes the Ramones so much. They were all right, but in comparison to other bands in the same vein, I don't think they're really that noteworthy.



If they're not punk, then what are they? Oh, wait, I forgot, you're probably thinking because they gained popularity with God Save The Queen, they're not punk.

I'm surprised you didn't bother to take the New York Dolls route, they started in the early, early 70s. Before most of the other bands you mentioned.

So, maybe it was a bit of misnomer, but most people I know, who are also fans of the genre, refer to british groups as "punk" and americans as "hardcore." Even if you visit the major epicenters of the American scene, they labeled themselves as such: LA, D.C., New York, Chicago...

The Pistols aren't punk based on the sole fact that they were a 1970's boy band essentially and instead of selling their abs and looks, they were sold with their " fuck society" and " outsider" look. It was basically 4 guys who hung out at a store that were thrown into a band to help sell the stores goods.

I love the New York doll's first album, but after that i think they took a horrible nosedive partly due to McLaren. He took the dolls from being Glam rock gods to being a ants about to be squished under Bolan's shoe for ripping him off. I didn't mention the dolls because they've always been far more of a glam rock band then a punk band.


I think most people get confused with the hardcore label. Hardcore back in the 80's was basically the same as the word " kvlt" that is used by people in the metal scene. It was a title moreso given to the genre by the fan's then the actual artists in an attempt to be more underground because punk was becoming mainstream.

Bands like the Meat puppets, Minutemen, Husker Du, Saccharine Trust, Replacements, etc were all classified as hardcore bands, but alot of their input didn't fit the hardcore classification, yet still was considered hardcore because they were apart of the american underground scene and sounded punk and that was all that mattered to be classified as hardcore.

Although, i guess your right in the sense that the hardcore punk label is used by americans to help defferentiate themselves from their british counterparts. When it comes down to it IMO, Hardcore was more an era of punk rock then an actual style.

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It always just seemed to me that they were put together for the sole purpose of selling a false punk image

That is exactly what happened. they were put together by westwood and Mclaren to help sell their stores good. The only good thing to ever come out of that scene was Siouxsie Sioux.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

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And The Who started playing before them, but Link Wray started playing before them. The problem with identifying when punk started is that you just end up going further back and back. Punk had a variety of influences, from protopunk, blues and pub rock. I suppose if you wanted to be pedantic you could say ? & the Mysterians were the first band to be described as punk but does it really fucking matter where and when it started?

I've always found the who to be standard blues rock. I think they're very far from the punk spectrum. Link wray really can be connected to punk rock, but only in a small way as power chords only make up a small part of the entire punk spectrum. He was influental to a select few, but nowhere enough to be considered a founder. We could like you said keep going back further and further in history to find the supposed origins, but i don't either of us want to do this.

I just think it needs to be noted that the Sex pistols and the clash were not the founders of punk in any way shape or form like so many people belive.

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Originally Posted by kinkymagic

My Generation and Rumble?

My generation does have some punk elements, but so does stuff released by Love and a bunch of other rock acts in the 60's.

IMO the first true punk rock album to ever be released was in 1970 with the stooges " Fun House ". Loose, Dirt, Down on the street, and T.V Eye were all punk as fuck.

I would like to hear what everyone considers the first punk album?

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell

I don't think there was a "first" punk album, I thought we had established that the music had sort of a parallel evolution.

I would almost say, that in a lot of ways Johnny Cash (although, his influence was later felt in the Grunge era), The Grateful Dead, and other folk artists as well as the movement of the Beat-generation (Allen Ginsberg, et al.) lead up to the anti-authoritarian, do-it-yourself movement that is Punk.

True. that is why i asked what does everyone consider the first punk album. It is a question that is based on one's opinion, and not on the actual history of punk.

Interesting choice with the Grateful Dead. Myself being a dead head, i've never really thought of it, but it makes sense in a few ways. Did you ever happen to read about the Dead, Kesey, Cassady and the pranksters?

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Originally Posted by Gratch

Interesting to see a few of the names tossed around here. I would have never considered Eyeless in Gaza or The Meat Puppets to be "punk", but ymmv.

I listened to quite a bit of punk back in high school and college, but have sort of grown out of it as I've gotten older. I couldn't tell you who any of the good new punk bands are. I will admit that some of the best shows I've been too have been punk shows, however. Bad Religion, NOFX, 7 Seconds, and Voodoo Glow Skulls all put on amazing shows back in the day.

Ah, to be 19 again...

You've obviously never heard the meat puppets S/T then as it was a pure punk album. Sure, they are mostly known for II which sheds alot of their punk elements. Although when you look at their entire discography as a whole, alot of their work is in the punk vein. It just never get's listened to be alot of people and brushed under the wayside because it isn't II nor is it namedropped by people in the underground.

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