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View Poll Results: What's Your Favorite Lossless Format
Apple Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC) 3 5.26%
Free Lossless Audio Codec (FLAC) 40 70.18%
Lossless Audio (LA) 0 0%
Lossless Predictive Audio Coder (LPAC) 0 0%
Monkey's Audio (MAC or APE) 6 10.53%
OptimFROG (OFR) 1 1.75%
RealAudio Lossless (RAL) 0 0%
Shorten (SHN) 0 0%
True Audio (TTA) 0 0%
WavPack (WV) 3 5.26%
Windows Media Audio Lossless (WMAL) 1 1.75%
MPEG-4 Audio Lossless Coding (MPEG4 ALS) 0 0%
PCM (WAV, AIFF, RAW, etc.) 1 1.75%
Other 2 3.51%
Voters: 57. You may not vote on this poll

Format War: Your Favorite Lossless Format
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ArrowHead
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Old Jun 29, 2006, 05:27 AM #1 of 35
FLAC, because in a comparison done some time ago (on HA, I think) it was found to be the best lossless codec overall - good compression, low CPU usage, fairly robust......

Another nice thing about FLAC is that you can put it in an OGG container.

Jam it back in, in the dark.
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Old Jul 10, 2006, 11:55 AM #2 of 35
Originally Posted by Eleo
But the audio quality of a 320kbps mp3 is audibly identical to a lossless file; ie no normal human can hear the removed frequencies. Thus I can think of no reason why you would want to place lossless audio on a portable device when mp3s accomplish the same ends and save disk space.
Actually, there are plenty of instances where a lossy encoding will sound very different from the original. To put it really simply, these are cases where the encoder screws up.

Search HydrogenAudio and you'll find a list of "problem samples" which are known to give encoders trouble.

There's nowhere I can't reach.
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Old Jul 15, 2006, 06:06 PM #3 of 35
Originally Posted by Eleo
"Plenty of instances", or "a small chance that"?
A very real chance.

Originally Posted by Kaiten
If I recall correctly, LAME (and the mp3 format itself) has trouble handling audio data above 16kHz. 320kbps is a waste of space for me, VBR or Lossless.
Correct.

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And since Monkey's Audio is slowly picking up again (with Linux decoders working), I see a bright future for it. All I want now is native ReplayGain and better seeking, and I'll never need to see FLAC on my HDD ever again.
Never gonna happen. That's how APE squeezes the extra 1 or 2% out of its encodings: by completely neglecting to have the kind of structure that makes fast seeking possible.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Last edited by ArrowHead; Jul 15, 2006 at 06:09 PM.
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