Male Reproductive Rights

Originally Posted by Minion

Sure. Nothing is ever clear if you want it to be unclear. I won't sit here and argue with you lot, though.

Sure. And things are very clear if you want to interpret a thing a certain way. If one's mind is made up about what is refferenced in a passage, then you are sure to find the reinforcement you were looking for.

But on this issue I've got to say that although I can't speak for the US system, here things are not set up as well as they should be. I believe that a man should have to support his children, and that he shouldn't have a legal say in whether or not the woman has an abortion. The system wherein the support is determined and enforced could use some help though.

Also, I find the whole ignorance defense when it comes to consequences of sex is pretty sad. I've never met someone who was ignorant to the extent that some have argued about in this thread. So this really comes down to a very poor education system wherever this is an issue. If you don't know that sex has an inherent chance of pregnancy, then you should have been taught better at an earlier age. Sounds like it's this education that needs a reform more than anything else. It sounds most unfair to legislate morality if you haven't done your best to *first* teach kids what they need to know before they get into trouble. Y'know, try to help people out first, and then if you really think you'd like to legislate morality, then do that second.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Minion

If you interpret it any other way, then it's just redundant, but I guess that just goes to show you. These idiot religious folk!

Repetition is often used in writing, and in teaching. The Bible is trying to teach is it not?

And in no way was I trying to imply that you were some religious idiot. But the fact remains that one can read what wish to see into that passage. Seems hard to tell what would be the 'correct' interpretation. This applies equaly to your interpretation as it does to Bradylama's or a Lurker's.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Manis Tricuspis

CAN WE JUST SAY THAT MINION ISN'T ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT THE BIBLE

CAN WE DO THAT

Look, we can compromise, let's all sit in a circle, ok? The person to our right chooses something we're not allowed to talk about, and then we choose for the person on our left, and so on! It'll be fun!

Ok, Minion, why don't you choose something Brady isn't allowed to talk about? And then Brady can choose for Squirrel, and Squirrel can choose for, say, Pug (If I may suggest something, "everything" is a good choice there).

Come on guys it'll be fun like summer camp wooooo~

Wow. An amazing amount of hostility coming my way recently. Not sure why that is though.

Personally I like to read Minion's posts on religious topics. A great insight for those who share those views.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by a lurker

I know you meant this as a compliment, but it's essentially meaningless. He - well, he thinks shakespeare is in par with the bible. I just can't get over that, sorry. It's too hilarious. At any rate, he's no expert on the bible if he can misinterpret a passage so obvious even I can see through it. I'm sure he read it many more times I have, but there's more than just the bible when it comes to being a theologian.

That's like me idolizing Racing because he brings insight into physics, or Styphon becuase he pioneers sourpussdom.

Minion doesn't need compliments from me. And it in no way implies that I regard him as an expert on the matter. But if we look at this example, it shows how those pro-lifers which argue this point, with this passage do so. Until someone presents a new point, then this is *the* Biblical refference which can be used to back up their stance.

You needn't agree with a person to be entertained or interested in their perspective. Otherwise, what would anyone be doing in PP other than patting each other on the back for like-mindedness? I took exception to the idea that those with valid, or even semi-valid points shouldn't be expressing them here.

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