South Park vs Religion

Originally Posted by PattyNBK

Many people have died protecting these freedoms we have. I myself lost my father at a young age in war.

And you'd be a fool to believe that the wars that are fought are entirely 'for the freedom of the US'.

So what you are suggesting is that Christians and other groups that are offended should riot like the Muslims have? I mean, it's only fair that they react the same way since they are treated the same.

Am I the only one here that finds the idea of wronging another (inflamatory media) to be ok, and the offended should just 'deal with it' attitude amusing? It's like, I can punch you in the nose, but there is nothing wrong with that, as you have the right to punch me right back. See? Everybody is happy in the end! Huh? What do you mean I didn't have a reason to punch you in the nose? I wanted to.

Now I'm all for freedom of speach, but I find the notion that it's not only one's right, but damn near one's duty to say inflamatory things and offend others as a really poor use of one's rights. Sure you can do it, but it doesn't make sense.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

I mean, it's obvious that you don't get it, since you've compared making fun of people to a punch in the goddamn face.

Cranky?

I absolutely get it, and I agree that they have the right to say what they wish. And it seems most discriminatory of the network to censor this topic, while they allow quite similar things to be joked about.

The point of my argument was that going out of one's way to hurt or provoke another *for no reason other than to piss them off* doesn't seem like a great way to use one's freedom of expression. I'm not saying that is the case here, but it could very well be.

That you or I don't feel that those insults are on par to an attack on one's person is immaterial by the way. My example was *supposed* to represent something that we could all agree is a dick move, since we can't adequately grasp how the mohamad pictures affect someone with such strong beliefs. But you instead take the opportunity for a 'Haha, they get mad at dumb stuff, not the not-dumb stuff that we would get mad at.'

The motivations of the cartoonists are at the heart of the issue. If they are really trying to get across a message, then great. If they are just trying to start shit, then not so great. Either way, they should have the right to do so, and the network sucks for their stance on selective censorship.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by PattyNBK

I think the terrorists have already shown their unwillingness to negotiate or take part in diplomacy. They always want everything their way!

But by seeing the issue in black and white, you are advocating the same mentality. No negotiation, no compromise, no consideration for others. They are wrong.

Sure Muslims over react to things, but what do you suggest to change this? If someone is offended when you do a thing, does doing it over and over again really improve things? I'm just wondering what you hope to have changed and how.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by PattyNBK

Wanna bet? Given your example, it sounds like the setting would be in a school, correct? In that case, I report you to the teacher, and you get a recess taken away. To use a proper Fullmetal Alchemist term here, I'd consider it "equivalent exchange". You keep it up, you keep getting punished. Eventually, you either get it through your head that you need to cut it out, or I start laughing at you for being a dumbass and getting all your recesses taken away.

First off, I haven't heard anything about direct threats being made about these South Park episodes.

Your example seems to be quite similar to what has happened. That being, in order to keep two parties from acting poorly, a third party (teacher, or TV network) stepped in to difuse the situation.

Also, by your example you imply that there isn't, nor should there be, a ruling body (or common ground regarding issues) to stand between the Muslims and those that wish to insult them. You also go on to explain that without that ruling body shit turns ugly that didn't have to turn ugly. So it really seems like you want to push things until violence does ensue and then see who wins in a fight. Now sure, this will 'solve' things for a while, but is this really what you are trying to advocate in Muslim/non-Muslim relations?

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

So, what's the solution then? I mean, you could try wipping out Muslims, is that really the only, or best alternative to not running the cartoons?

I honestly want to know how you'd like this situation to play out.

How ya doing, buddy?

So if you find something that pisses off another, the only responsible course of action is to press their button.

I mean, if there was something that pissed you off, it'd only be natural to expect that people would do their damndest to do it. And hell, you'd deserve it too, because your beliefs would be laughable and dumb.

But seriously, I still want to know what antagonising and taunting them is supposed to accomplish.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?