Revolution or Evolution?

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PS3 will be releasing DMC4, MGS4, a Tekken

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Nintendo makes Mario Rehash#12

It appears sequels are only bad when Nintendo makes them, eh?

How ya doing, buddy?

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Do you see Snake in other games?

Metal Gear Acid, Dream Mix TV Fighters

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Capcom haven't done it with DMC

Dante was in the shoddy port of Viewtiful Joe 1 on the PS2

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They haven't fucked up Tekken they've just lost hype for it.

Tekken's Nina Williams in Death by Degrees.


All are punishéd.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

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Mario Tetris

In your flailing about you have managed to bring up a game that does not exist.

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Yeah, but that's different. They're in a couple of other titles which aren't the main series, where as Mario is everywhere.

Hypocrisy acheived! The gist of what I'm getting from your defensively impossible position is that it is okay to fuck a goat (make a spinoff) as long as you only do it once.

Mario is a "goatfucker."

Despite having fucked goats, those three you mention somehow avoid the goatfucker label.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

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You don't seem to understand the simple fact that Mario has his own game in almost every genre, and that's bad. And you're trying to go ahead and tell me that Snake in another game, or Dante in another game, makes them equally as bad? That doesn't make much sense now, does it?

The fact that they even attempted to do so in the first place makes them as "bad," because the idea is the same. To make a franchise character popular. I don't mind spinoffs really. But it is unfair to treat Mario any differently just because he's been doing it longer. Hence the goatfucker argument.

And the claim of "selling out" is horseshit. Nintendo still owns Mario. If appearing in another genre is "selling out," then the list of the guilty would be long indeed.

All are punishéd.

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Wow. Never before has so many words delivered so little content. Your chittering has put forth no point other than you think Mario has "sold out," which is a meaningless statement, and you appear to believe that the only games being developed for the Revolution are ones with Mario in them.

Both are wrong, despite your belief that Mario has "gone down in quality."

Congratulations on making this thread a trainwreck, using only the power of your mind, or lack thereof.

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From wikipedia.

"Selling out is a common slang phrase. Broadly speaking, it refers to the compromising of one's integrity in exchange for money or other personal gain. It is commonly associated with attempts to increase mass appeal or acceptability to mainstream society. A person who does this is labelled a sellout."

Super Mario Brothers has sold 40 million copies. And that's just the NES version. Now I would say that's pretty fucking mainstream.

Since your definition of "Selling Out" is simply having a character in another genre, Mario has been "selling out" since 1991 with NES Open Tournament Golf, and possibly sooner. The idea that Mario was created to make money is laughable in its obviousness. Of course he was made to make money. EVERY VIDEO GAME IS, IDIOT.

And then you jump around with the fanboy insults, when I made no specific mention of any kind of fault with any competitive company. I believe it is basically that I disagree with you, and you have weak points supported by weak arguments.

Desperation brings out the true colors.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

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Sony went as far as Crash Team Racing, but they didn't sell out Bandicoot.

Crash Bash.

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Microsoft haven't done squat with Master Chief on the xbox, aside from the Halo games

Microsoft only recently farmed out Master Chief to Tecmo for Dead or Alive 4.

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Nintendo is the only one I see still putting Mario into games. Why?

They are not the only ones putting their franchise characters into other genres.

AGAIN, everybody is guilty of this.

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Originally Posted by Elixir

You're bringing out quite alot of colors, bud. I remember your old avatar here. It was Mario and you had a "Nintendo fanboy, be proud" signature. Why? Because you're a Nintendo fanboy, so obviously it's only natural for you to defend Nintendo.

LOL Isn't Labeling Theory fun?

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What you don't seem to realize is that Nintendo have, indeed, been selling Mario out since 1991.

Didn't I just fucking say that?

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There were worthwhile games such as Mario Kart, Kart 64, and MKDS, but the remake of Mario 64 on the DS, Tennis, and all that - just isn't anything more than cashing in.

LIKEWISE, Metal Gear Acid is cashing in, as are the numerous games Solid Snake has been in where he is not sneaking around, and as is the Tekken beat em up and as is Dante being in Viewtiful Joe for no reason. You are unfairly labeling Mario as a Sellout while acting as if the three series you anticipate for the PS3 are somehow not glass houses from which you are throwing stones.

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I think you're missing my point here. I know video game characters are in there for the money, but that doesn't avoid the fact that Nintendo is lacking originality. I shouldn't have to point Mario Tennis and Mario _____ games aren't true Mario games, they're just pointless games to tie the fans over before something really decent comes out.

I don't remember ever takng issue with you saying they aren't "true" Mario games... whatever that means nowadays. I think I basically took isse with you listing three sequels, some of which are the SIXTH in their series and then jump onto Mario for "rehashing." And Nintendo lacking originality is.. just basically laughable. Really. They get shit for being TOO Original nowadays.

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If you consider my argument "weak", then you are missing the point entirely. I'll say it again. Mario in a game doesn't represent originality nor creativity in a game, but t's a sell-out cash-in project for Nintendo. It's easy, it works, and people are gullible enough to buy it for it's name. Why? BECAUSE IT FUCKING HAS MARIO IN IT, HELLO.

Once again, the same can be applied to Metal Gear Acid. The fact that simply bearing the same name is meant to entice buyers. Metal Gear has been sold out for a damn card game of all things. I bet everything who bought it for the PSP is feeling pretty gullible,

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I'm sure a bunch of Nintendo fanboys didn't even know Dance Dance Revolution existed before Mario Mix arrived.

I'm sure this has a point, but I can't seem to find it.

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I'm sure a bunch of people sit on their ass and play soccer games instead of participating in a real soccer game -- or playing a real soccer video game.

I'm not sure what the point of this is either.

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It's pretty obvious when you look at it. Most companies have a leading character, and once they find that it's become popular, they sell it. But Kojima hasn't sold out Snake, Sony hasn't sold out Crash, and Microsoft haven't sold out Master Chief like Nintendo. Nintendo have repeatedly and continually exploited Mario for all that he's worth and they're continuing to do so.

Solid Snake has been sold out, unless you weren't paying attention, to a card game on the PSP. Sony actually literally sold out Crash, both by having him genre about and then they really just sold the rights to Vivendi Universal. That's why he's multiplatform now. Hell, Sony sucked what they could out of him before just throwing him away.

and AGAIN MS had farmed out Master Chief to Tecmo to be in a fighting game. From an FPS.

Ahh but you end with the "like Nintendo" modifier. Bascially, this is an admission that some of the companies mentioned besides Nintendo sell out, but since they haven't been doing it for as long, they are exonerated of the same crime. This is a double standard.

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Now, I'm not a Nintendo hater. I'm not a Sony, or a Microsoft fanboy. Actually I'm a Sega fanboy if anything, specifically a Megadrive fanboy. Feel free to trash me and have the nerve to insult a pretty much dead company, but that's irrelevant.

Alleged fanboyism is irrelevant. Check.

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I've supported Nintendo in the past, I even own a japanese Mario Kart. But that doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to want to rush out and buy things like this, please note the price because I feel like it.

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. I don't own Mario DDR. I don't really like DDR that much. I think the point is missing from here.

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If Nintendo put half their effort into their games as they did their franchising, they'd actually have games worth playing on the Gamecube. That is why I'm uncertain about the future of Nintendo and this "Revolution is revolutionary" rubbish.

Ahhh, and here we come to the crux. You don't think the Gamecube has any worthwhile games. And that is bascially a subject for opinion, as I find many games on the Gamecube worthwhile, particularly Pikmin, a devilishly clever original game from Nintendo.

Your opinion aside, the lineup of a current console is not sufficient evidence to judge the lineup of a future console. The Xbox had some worthwhile games on it, and it does appear that the 360 seems to have failed in this regard, as it's highest rated and best selling game is Call of Duty 2, which is multiplatform.

It's funny that you deride the game quality of the Mario games but basically the critics and most people disagree. The lowest rated game with Mario in it this last generation was probably Mario Pinball Land, which got mixed reviews as opposed to generally positive like most of the other Mario games get.

It is a double standard to regard Mario as a "Sell out" and yet somehow vindicate Metal Gear and others (ESPECIALLY Final Fantasy) just because they do it with less frequency. And Furthermore, they seem to suck at it, Death by Degrees sucked, So does Metal Gear Acid. And Crash Bash. And whatever spinoffs are excused just because Mario ISN'T in them.

And basically my point is this, you deride Nintendo and their creation, Super Mario, although some of the companies and game series you love the most have been guilty of it as well, and they totally suck at it.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

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Bemani titles are a whole other story, though.

This sort of puts DDR Mario in a precarious position. So.. Konami... making it... is not milking or selling out... but Nintendo being a part of it... is?

Jam it back in, in the dark.