22yr old Arrested for raping 13 yr old met online

Originally Posted by Lizardcommando

Soo... what if, hypothetically, the boy refuses to press charges against the lady? What happens then?

I don't think that will change anything. Remember this case?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Kay_Letourneau

In this more recent case, it doesn't appear as if the boy pressed charges in the first place. I mean, the woman was living with the boy and his mother for 2 weeks. I am assuming this case was put together by either the state or the feds and not the boy. It doesn't necessarily matter if the boy objects or not, as long as the system has a problem, someone is bound to get fucked. (no pun intended)

The 22 year old gal WILL go to jail for statutory rape.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by a lurker

I too am lolling at all the folks saying "oh the kid totally wanted it". Thirteen year olds are stupid, have you all forgotten that already?

Stupid or no, a 13 year old should have the capacity to determine whether something is right or wrong. (Then again, his mother obviously wasn't much of a teacher to allow something like this to take place.) He made a choice to willingly participate in sexual acts with the adult, which makes the 'rape' part of this case difficult to define. Child exploitation seems more likely as a heading.
I am not saying that the kid isn't a dummy, as most children are not quite fully functioning at 13, but should a case like this be defined as rape if the boy willingly allowed it and wasn't harmed in the process?

I mean, when I was around that age, I was already sexually active. I also knew what I liked and didn't like. In that, I had all the necessary means to make choices for myself. I think too much emphasis is being placed on this 22 year old as being predatory. Was the boy truly the 'prey' in this situation? The kid knew what he was doing. While this may be untrue, and evenso, such relationships are well defined within our own society as being 'bad' but greatly vary from culture to culture.

The question is, who is right and who is wrong?

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Are you fucking daft? Rape is the act of forcing sex on an non-consenting party. Statutory rape exists because minors are categorically considered incapable of offering consent. Especially with adults.

No need to talk to me like one of your whores. I don't appreciate your violent outbursts. (You know, for a mod, you sure act like a 13 year old.) I realize that there is a difference between rape and statutory rape but I am still inclined to think one is much more offensive and destructive than the other, at least in this particular case.

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13 year olds do not exactly know right from wrong. Hell, lots of people never stop developing their own personal moralities, but 13 is sure as fuck not an age where we should be burdening people with those kinds of dilemmas.

I largely agree with what you are saying. But, who exactly, knows right from wrong? Do you? Do you really think that ALL people at the age of 18 are all of a sudden hit with a smart stick which imparts upon them good judgment? This isn't always the case. Each case is different. That is all that I am saying.

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I am right, lurker is right, Dev is right, and you are out of your fucking mind if you think that 13 year olds can make informed decisions concerning sexual behavior.

Your smugness amuses me.

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This woman is, without a doubt, the predator, because she is taking advantage of somebody else's weakness for the sake of her own gratification.

That is likely. However, the boy was also part of this equation so lets not assume that he didn't know what he was doing merely because he's 13. The law will not see it as such so I guess it makes no difference either way.

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Rape is quite explicit in specifying lack of consent. Child exploitation does not even mention consent.

Sometimes its difficult to determine the legality of certain features of the written law. It seems that each region approaches this framework differently and as a result, the terminology gets somewhat confusing.

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Rape is there because the mental image of a 13 year old girl being raped sells newspapers. Thirteen year old boys don't know what the fuck they are doing (fuck, nineteen year old boys don't know what they're doing), and she knew as much, but she was too horny to care.

So what would think of a culture besides ours where the marriage age is 13? What would you think of a culture in which 13 year olds are married to much older men all the time with little incident?

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Harm is emotional and mental harm. His dick may be sore for a few days afterward but there's a kid growing up with completely false ideas about sexuality and relationships to women. That is harm, that is abusing a child, because sexuality and relationships are a very large part of of a person's life and destroying both like that is wrong.

I see what you mean and well put.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

I am sorry if you do not feel that my Righteous Fury is appropriate for somebody who wants to redefine the severity of rape (i.e. you)

I am not trying to redefine the severity of rape, which I believe is a term which involves sexual brutality against the will of another. I think all will agree that rape is barbaric. However, I just don't understand why the line is drawn where it is in regards to statutory rape. Thats why I have fine folks such as yourself to help with ma edumacation. Thanks. <3

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Yeah and everything is relative and nothing is the same, and if we could actually afford to determine on a case-by-case basis whether this minor is more mentally developed than this minor, then farts would be made of doves.

LOL. Of course. I am choosing to look beyond what we can afford though I understand why the law exists to help protect 'minors'. The golden standard doesn't necessarily imply that its without flaw.

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Using somebody's weaknesses in order to extract juicy feelgood juice is always predatory

Bollocks. I don't buy that argument. The principle of using somebody's weakness to maligned benefit happens everyday in the world of dating and even marriage, regardless of age. A weakness can be categorized as any number of things. People take advantage of others ALL THE TIME and have done so since the beginning of time, even to extract 'juicy feelgood juice'.

Weakness is a term which holds questionable principle, determined by morals of society. While I appreciate the laws as they exist in my own society, I am not brash enough to admit that it makes another culture wrong.

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If you mean cultures like the arabs, then I don't think much of them. Especially not the countries where the Age of Consent is 9 because Mohammad who is great popped one of his wife's cherry at that age.

I didn't mean anyone in particular. though its interesting (and somehow unsurprising) to see that you don't think much of them.

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I would say that they have the worst quality of live, lowest life expectancy, lowest literacy rates, highest rates of malnourishment, infant deaths, and the highest percentage of population in military service. In short, they are uncivilized, uneducated, unemployed, war-mongering, and shit-eating apes.

I don't understand where you would get off determining someone's life for them from your own little comfortable perch. I mean lets not kid ourselves here, we are ALL war-mongering, shit-eating apes. Our society may be technologically advanced, but there is but a thin stretch of road separating ourselves from what some believe to be uncivilized societies.

That aside, our quality of life is very different from others. We enjoy the many amenities of a technological society, and greatly benefit from them. Yes, WE are so well educated that we have just about the worst educational system on the planet, but whose keeping track? Yes, we are so peaceful that we have killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in Iraq but thats neither here nor there. MEH. Its nice that our culture seems so evolved, but without the ability to respect the views of other cultures, it doesn't seem like it means much.

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How's that?

Not good, unfortunately.

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Name one good aspect a culture which forces 13 year old children to take on the responsibilities of grown women.

Good? Good according to what? Good according to your own perspective of a healthy, meaningful existence? Your statements are biased. I think its fair not to assume that anyone is worse off than we are simply on account that they practice different customs that we don't happen to understand and/or agree with.

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Originally Posted by Ghetto Fabulous D. Loco

I don't think it's fucking fair to any minors to make exceptions the rule. Hell the most mature 13 year olds I know sure as shit don't know how to handle the repercussions of relationships let alone sex.

I don't buy your "hay guys they're more mature than you let on, let's allow predators to do as they please" bullshit.

Heh, I am not saying that at all. I am not saying, "Lets allow kiddie fiddlers to have their fun and destroy lives in the process." I am just saying in this particular instance that I am having difficulty ascertaining a clear cut predator/prey. I understand your stance and you understand mine so no further clarification is needed.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

If statutory rape wasn't barbaric, then it wouldn't be called rape. The reason it's considered to be barbaric, is because societies with high standards of living can afford to extend childhood throughout adolescence. Allowing adults to fuck teens is uncivilized because they don't have to, and therefore shouldn't. If there are no external factors which justify kid diddling, like life expectancies of 28, then the act itself is entirely unnecessary, and becomes just plain wrong.

That is a fair point. I think I've seen the practicality of your arguments and thank you for sharing them. In truth, I don't have much reason to argue against your statements but its nice to see your reasoning. I agree with many of your points as they are implicitly stated above.

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Rape isn't merely defined in physical violence. The negative impact emotionally and mentally are catastrophic when it comes to teens, because it impacts their development so drastically, and not for the better.

Hmmm. I didn't look at it from that point of view but that makes sense. I should have considered it a bit more in regards to the case posted by the OP.

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The flaw, however, is immaterial. Minors are defined as being undeveloped as a group, because a mountain of psychological, sociological, and biological evidence demonstrates it as such. Is it ok if an adult is on the mental level of the 15 year old he or she is boning? That's the kind of intellectual luxury that should be afforded only for hypotheticals, and not something to be bandied about in regards to a real case. If we consider the possibility that what has happened might be ok, then we lose any semblance of moral solidarity, since the idea spreads and generates debate.

I agree that law does make it seem easier to keep society within specific boundaries. It is true that the law isn't perfect and can never be expected to be, but in most cases it proposes a guideline which keeps a sense of order. I do agree that relationships between children and adults is wrong but I am willing to look at this case differently as it seems highly different than that of normal cases of this type. In that, I thought that perhaps a different approach might be relevant. It is becoming clear that it isn't warranted.

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It is wrong in all cases, predatory in all cases, because the majority of scientific and cultural thinking say so. Though I see you're now going to try and say that it isn't predatory...

...It isn't predatory. (mwa) No, I am not going to beat upon this bush any longer. I must admit I haven't much to say contradicting your thoughts thus far.

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How enlightened of you. However, taking advantage of weakness for one's personal gain is predatory. The reason that an adult taking advantage of another adult within reasonable bounds isn't illegal, is because adults are capable of defending themselves.

I was probably nitpicking unintentionally. I am well enough aware that adults and children cannot be held to the same mental, physical standard.

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There really isn't much well to think of Arab culture, despite your claims of an intellectual high ground. Between the petty tribalism and the inability to maintain an infrastructure, cultures that are predominantly arab will never be able to advance beyond the dark ages. Arab countries that do enjoy good standards of living do so because they either have tons of oil, or they have become much more Westernized.

Intellectual highground doesn't have much to do with it. Your comments seemed to be seeded with anger and racism. If at all, I am sorry I jumped the gun. However, I am still willing to be respectful and openminded of cultures outside of my own. Sometimes, I feel that perspective of others can better help me understand myself and my own culture, which is largely a reason as to why I use culture as a means to enter this argument. You can call me "enlightened" all you like, but its simply what I believe.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Well now let's put this into perspective: I said that there's not much to think of arabs for things like the belief that Mohammad is the Gold Standard of human behavior, and therefore fucking a 9 year old can't be wrong because Mohammad did it. You thought that could have been racist?

Well lets see here.

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If you mean cultures like the arabs, then I don't think much of them. Especially not the countries where the Age of Consent is 9 because Mohammad who is great popped one of his wife's cherry at that age.

Primarily because you offered an appraisal of a society that wasn't previously mentioned. As I mentioned, I wasn't referring to arabs specifically and yet you went out of your way to speak your displeasure with their customs by the principle that they differ from our own.

Secondly, this story involving Mohammed holds little merit for Islam as a whole. What you refer to is an outdated text which isn't largely supported by Islam in any way shape or form in modern times, at least in regards to marriage age. That is, marriage of girls at 9 is not common to the culture, as a whole. You were referring to arabs (or more notably islams as not every arab is bound to take heart with the teachings of Mohammed) and casting them all in one lump sum of rampant stupidity. Thats not fair. In that way of thinking, you have made a judgment according to a limited viewpoint for its own sake. However, I see that your intent may have not been to cast these people in an unfavourable light just for a cheap laugh, though instinct tells me a different story. If you aren't racist, then feel free to ignore my statements.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by a lurker

Are you seriously saying that a boy, who knows that orgasms are fun, was seducing an adult?

What sort of demented asshole are you?

Quit putting words in my mouth. I was saying that there was no predator and there was no prey. That was fairly simple and yet you competely misread it. Try again.

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Originally Posted by Ghetto Fabulous D. Loco

Answer my question:

Do you support stings of online predators?

Screw off bozo. I have better things to do than play one of your little games of cat and mouse. I've stated that child-sex is wrong, what more do you want? If I was a sexual predator, do you think I would readily admit it? If so, you are quite daft.

And to answer your question, yes. I hope that I've made myself clear.

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Do you think you're so clever that no one knows what you're doing? You're defending a predatory, unstable woman and shifting some of the "blame" onto the victim because when you were thirteen you got laid. If your situation is analogous to this, you're justifying decisions thrust upon you in order to avoid the stigma of being a victim of male rape, of being deceived into thinking you want what she has to offer.

Oh you again. How surprising. Is there a reason you are following me around from topic to topic like a lost puppy dog trying to nip at my heels? This is becoming habit. I encourage you to break it.

At any rate, my sexuality doesn't concern you. My argument was that I knew what I wanted/liked at that age and was sexually active. THAT'S IT, smartguy. I used that point to make an argument. No more, no less. You are reading far too much into far too little. (though its not too difficult to see why that is.)

(Judging from these run-ins we seems to be having, I am sure you get intense sexual gratification from stalking people on the internet.)

Again I am going to tell you that to question something is to concede nothing. We can consider something without acting upon it. I like to argue.
I like to consider different things contrary to what is considered common practice. This case is unique and I was interesting in discussing. What the hell about that is so difficult for you to come to grips with? I've stated that this women will go to jail and rightfully so.

Consider for a moment that I simply enjoy looking at things in a different way from time to time. You know better. Quit being so dense.

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Of course, you don't think you were poorly affected by this. After all, you feel normal, right? You don't feel irrevokably damaged. Well, lest anyone thinks that statutory rape on a 13 year old boy doesn't affect the boy, here is proof positive.

I am far from normal. (I am more honest than most.) Are you normal? If so, consider that you are completely full of shit. There is no such thing as normal. Anyone who says differently is lying. (Say what you mean. You want to find out whether I am psychotic or not? Usually I am not, but for you I am willing to make an exception.)
In any event, it doesn't hurt for me to admit what I am. I am honest with myself. Other than that, I don't feel that any more input is needed. Take your pitiful psychological profiling elsewhere.

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What I'm saying is of course you can't tell how broken you are.

Please humor me. Just how broken am I? A person of your intelligence must have a rather clear cut answer to this. Actually don't. This thread isn't about me, is it? Why the hell are you so interested in what I am doing?

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Originally Posted by a lurker

Additionally, I like how rainman thinks the ability to determine you shouldn't throw animals and kick little kids means you are capable of consenting to an act that can turn you, magically, into a father.

Do you think a thirteen year old boy can be a good provider to his baby?

I like how you are always on my nuts, slobbering like a retarded rhesus monkey who has tasted the dried shavings of its buttcrack for the first time. Seriously! Its great!

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Originally Posted by Bradylama

Before you dig any deeper holes with droll reasoning and overreactions.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Are you fucking daft?

Originally Posted by Bradylama

I am right, lurker is right, Dev is right, and you are out of your fucking mind if you think that 13 year olds can make informed decisions concerning sexual behavior.

You are immature.

Originally Posted by D-Loc

I'm ears. I wouldn't mind seeing Rainman break down and confess all the details of his childhood filled of sodomy.

Yea, I guess you need some new jerkoff material to accompany the plethora of beastiality and german scat vids which line your hard drive. Go read a book you tool!

Originally Posted by a lurker

I think we can reach a breakthrough here, to be honest.

lol.

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Originally Posted by Ghetto Fabulous D. Loco

I handled it fine at 13 why can't you let this kid.

You're a fucking joke Rainman. Is there anything more pathetic than a victim trying to justify the same crime dealt to someone else?

I didn't say I was 13, I said I was around that age and its clear through my commentary leading up to this point that 'victim' is not a term which is free of argument. I have mentioned this many times, and yet it keeps slipping through your fumblesome fingers. Its making you look like quite the tard.

Now that we have that out of the way, I don't believe you really have anything else of substance to say, hmm?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

So I am a faggot now? (And you think I can't communicate?) Not only are you racist, but a homophobe as well. (neither instance is surprising) Its all becoming quite clear regarding the conservative and supposed rationale that you bring forth. Let me ask you, are you a Republican? lol

I didn't state my age implicitly. Get over it.

Originally Posted by Chibi Neko

I have been reading this thread over and over.... I fail to see how Rainizzle is justifying this crime.

I appreciate your reading comprehension, but you should be weary. These fine folks might burn you at the stake for these transgressions.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.